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17/04/2008, 3:30 PM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,426 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? At a time when food shortages are making headlines, with food riots in countries like Indonesia and British farmers being allowed to take land out of the set a side scheme to crop this year to help a bit it does seem remarkably short sighted to allow vast areas of fertile land on the Norfolk and other parts of the East Coast to return to the sea. I wonder what the poor chap who first drained the area around Horsey would have thought. The farms at Somerton/Horsey would seem to be models of productivity, conservation and access for the public with excellent footpaths and it is incomprehensible that someone should think they could just be given up, although I would concede that the growing salinity would be a problem as sea levels rise-I gather Horsey already has higher salinity than Hickling. Some years back I think the Somerton estate was sold and there were rumours at the time that Prince Charles was interested. What a shame he did not buy it!    Report

17/04/2008, 5:00 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I could not agree more, gardener. There is an interesting article in the Guardian today about the whole thing, also a few comments at the end from Mr John Buxton from the Horsey Estate.    Report

17/04/2008, 5:42 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,317 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Perhaps we will get some support from those people who have a holiday home at Sandringham gardener? Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

18/04/2008, 3:27 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,741 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads?  swampie wrote: I could not agree more, gardener. There is an interesting article in the Guardian today about the whole thing, also a few comments at the end from Mr John Buxton from the Horsey Estate. Swampie, whats the chances that any of these landed gentlemen in lieu with all the blue bloods, gets in touch with her majesty herself, maybe he can persuade her to stop taking her cut from the dredging haul and support our cause for, ahem 'Queen and country', especially the country bit? nevermind    Report

19/04/2008, 4:22 PM trekker Joined on 09/11/2007 Norwich Posts 60 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Sounds like an idea Keith!   As I previously wrote earlier, I live in the area concerned and am thinking of stocking up with buckets and spades to sell to holidymakers from my front garden since I would have to fund moving from my home on the new saltmarsh somehow. Jokes aside, some of my fellow villagers and I are starting a campaign group partly aimed at informing holidymakers to the broads area about this issue possibly under the name Save Our Broadlands (SOB). I will keep you posted!      Report

19/04/2008, 6:29 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Good for you trekker letting the holidaymakers know whats going on is an excellent idea, do let us informed. I have decided to start saving for a house boat, ( don't know how) with bloody goverment taking all my spare money. If the worse come to the worse, I will moor my houseboat in my garden, they may fill it with water, but I shall always own the land.    Report

20/04/2008, 7:21 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,244 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Me Tarzan you Swampie.I can just see us now swinging through the trees Swampie.Trekker has got a good idea,perhaps a banner on one of the bridges across the A47 would work.One question Swampie re owning the land.If the sea is allowed to breach the Broads,who owns the land,the Queen!!?    Report

20/04/2008, 10:05 AM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,999 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? What concerns me with all the plans up the coast is what would happen if they were implemented.  Would it not just push the problem down to other areas?    Report

21/04/2008, 10:35 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,741 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads?  Jill wrote: What concerns me with all the plans up the coast is what would happen if they were implemented.  Would it not just push the problem down to other areas?   What problem, seal level rise? I fear Jill, thats something we can't push anywhere, but with a little luck, long before our shoreline is being 'let go', this, or the next Government might have to contemplate the humanitarian arrival of a few hundred thousand of Bangladeshi's who have just lost their land country, lifelyhood and all. That would skew the focus and give us something else to shout about, no good sending them cheap chinese made swimming trunks, they will have to live somehwere from 2060-80 onwards, 2/3rds of their country will be inundated by the sea.   The difference between them and us is, we have the economic prowess to change the equation and shame our Government into making flooding a due care consideration for any Goverment. If we don't help ourselves, we will be the Bangladeshis of 2120, with or without houseboat, swampie.   Maybe genetic research into growing webbed feet might be of an advantage in future Olympic swimming events, in evolutionary terms we could not survive in water and these new extremeties would not hold back the Mordsee, freely translated meaning murderous sea, an old german bastardisation of the word North sea, who has taken many villages and lives during the centuries, not just in this country.   Now that the public meetings are over another fond round of lobbying politicians has begun, memos to us that they are talking to X and Y being done, a much increased vote for Mr. Lamb in the next GE aaand..... nothing, procrastination, 7 million sticky plasters and same as it ever was.   The BA is still an unelected quango, as for the porperty and land stealing/destroying DEAF-RA chaps, another brake to our future, they might be good at planning destruction, but they will have to use physical force to get us off our lands and stop us defending it, see how good they are at that and whether they dare to bite the hand that feeds them. nevermind    Report

21/04/2008, 7:28 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Sorry I have not been around, was away looking after my friends dog for a few days and my notebook broke, It's only 4 months old. Anyway home now and it's still not surronded by water, thank god! No thanks to the govenment though. Is that right John, if the sea does breach my land the queen will own it. Got to get me off first !!!    Report

21/04/2008, 8:04 PM kenneth Joined on 14/08/2003 Posts 1,102 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads?  john wrote: Me Tarzan you Swampie.I can just see us now swinging through the trees Swampie.Trekker has got a good idea,perhaps a banner on one of the bridges across the A47 would work.One question Swampie re owning the land.If the sea is allowed to breach the Broads,who owns the land,the Queen!!? If the sea breach is permanent then there will be no land to own - as in Happisburg. Otherwise, if the sea recedes after the flood thereby re-exposing the land, then the original land owner still owns it, unless it is legally condemned, in which case presumably compensation will be paid.    Report

21/04/2008, 9:12 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? In the 1938 flood, certain parts of Horsey were not flooded at all, and the rest of it, the sea was barely a foot or so deep. I would therefore still be able to stand on my land & moor a boat on it. If I have not been paid compensation surely the land would therefore still be mine. Also my House that is a lot higher than a a foot or so would still exist. That would also still be mine. It would make a nice boathouse don't you think?    Report

28/04/2008, 9:25 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,741 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads?  kenneth wrote:  john wrote: Me Tarzan you Swampie.I can just see us now swinging through the trees Swampie.Trekker has got a good idea,perhaps a banner on one of the bridges across the A47 would work.One question Swampie re owning the land.If the sea is allowed to breach the Broads,who owns the land,the Queen!!? If the sea breach is permanent then there will be no land to own - as in Happisburg. Otherwise, if the sea recedes after the flood thereby re-exposing the land, then the original land owner still owns it, unless it is legally condemned, in which case presumably compensation will be paid. Yes and the seabed off the coast is owned by HMQ, as far as I know, so if your land floods it automatically is being assigned to the royal asset management board, or similar. Keep us up to date swampie, whats the next plan, is there a meeting planned with a larger venue, maybe some workshops with a brainstorming session as to what to do next? let us know please. nevermind    Report

28/04/2008, 9:38 AM Rupert Joined on 19/11/2007 Posts 613 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads?  nevermind wrote:   Yes and the seabed off the coast is owned by HMQ, as far as I know, so if your land floods it automatically is being assigned to the royal asset management board, or similar. Keep us up to date swampie, whats the next plan, is there a meeting planned with a larger venue, maybe some workshops with a brainstorming session as to what to do next? let us know please. nevermind 'Kippers sliding down hot rocks' is one thing, nevermind (and I do hope that their antics kept you suitably amused), but who - or 'wtf?' is "HMQ ? How far out does 'HMQ' (whatever that is ) ownt he seabed?  What does it do with this seabed which it owns?  - Does it provide a training ground to allow kippers to learn how to slide down hot rocks, or what? Rupert    Report

28/04/2008, 9:45 AM Scaramouche Joined on 02/04/2006 obscure Posts 1,396 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Rupert, your coastal journey is taking you into a strange murky weed-infested world, and we ain't talking samphire. Prepare to be confused. Old British hippies are bad enough at losing things in translation.. Old Euro-Green  hippies are worse. Just ask yourself the question - how long is my day?      Report

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