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28/08/2008, 8:41 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,705 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. PPaul you wrote: Sorry, 5mm or not per year, NASA with all the technology, they appear unable to pin down sea level rise "world wide" from 3mm +/- .07mm to in certain parts of America 10mm + / - 0.7mm ?   Would that be the NASA, not an idependent body by the way and highly politicised, that forgot to install an anti virus programm into their computer on the space station?   I have sympathy with those communities who are trying to get politicians to listen, but I think they will be put out into the long grass. My suggestion, still, is to raise money from locals and those who visit our beautifull Norfolk, secondly and more important, try and find a candidate that will stand on this main issue in the European election, it would help to focus the mind of fickle, overpaid politicians, there is nothing better than putting them on the spot, single issue campaigns work. nevermind    Report

28/08/2008, 9:47 AM GreenRupertRead Joined on 28/08/2008 Posts 2 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. - a key issue in the European elections In reply to nevermind, who wrote on this: "I have sympathy with those communities who are trying to get politicians to listen, but I think they will be put out into the long grass. My suggestion, still, is to raise money from locals and those who visit our beautifull Norfolk, secondly and more important, try and find a candidate that will stand on this main issue in the European election, it would help to focus the mind of fickle, overpaid politicians, there is nothing better than putting them on the spot, single issue campaigns work. nevermind." I stand unequivocally on a platform of taking action against the key causes of the potential inundation of our coastal areas, namely: 1) Offshore dredging, which is the main cause of the trouble so far  and (2) The even huger long-term threat of sea-level-rise due to manmande climate change.  Some of you may have read my letters on this in Norfolk's press over the past couple of years, or heard me on our radio stations or on TV recently talking about these matters. The Green Party is the Party committed to long-term preservation of our land. I am our lead candidate for the European elections next June. If I am elected, you will have a strongly-committed Parliamentarian, based in Norfolk [I am one of the Norwich Green Party Councillors], on the very issue which (rightly) gravely concerns contributors to this forum.   C'llr. Rupert Read, prospective Green Party MEP for Eastern Region...   [Check my GUARDIAN articles: http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/rupert_read/index.html   Goto www.oneworldcolumn.org to read my regular columns in the EASTERN DAILY PRESS newspaper, East Anglia's leading regional daily.   I MICRO-BLOG at: http://twitter.com/RupertRead   Watch me in a video on Norwich Greens' achievements: http://www.youtube.com/v/woMhWx5psKU&hl=en   My blogs, http://www.opendemocracy.net/blog/rupert_read & http://rupertsread.blogspot.com/ ]    Report

28/08/2008, 10:57 AM Scaramouche Joined on 02/04/2006 obscure Posts 1,357 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. - a key issue in the European elections  GreenRupertRead wrote: In reply to nevermind, who wrote on this: "I have sympathy with those communities who are trying to get politicians to listen, but I think they will be put out into the long grass. My suggestion, still, is to raise money from locals and those who visit our beautifull Norfolk, secondly and more important, try and find a candidate that will stand on this main issue in the European election, it would help to focus the mind of fickle, overpaid politicians, there is nothing better than putting them on the spot, single issue campaigns work. nevermind." I stand unequivocally on a platform of taking action against the key causes of the potential inundation of our coastal areas, namely: 1) Offshore dredging, which is the main cause of the trouble so far  and (2) The even huger long-term threat of sea-level-rise due to manmande climate change.  Some of you may have read my letters on this in Norfolk's press over the past couple of years, or heard me on our radio stations or on TV recently talking about these matters. The Green Party is the Party committed to long-term preservation of our land. I am our lead candidate for the European elections next June. If I am elected, you will have a strongly-committed Parliamentarian, based in Norfolk [I am one of the Norwich Green Party Councillors], on the very issue which (rightly) gravely concerns contributors to this forum.   C'llr. Rupert Read, prospective Green Party MEP for Eastern Region...   [Check my GUARDIAN articles: http://commentisfree.guardian.co.uk/rupert_read/index.html   Goto www.oneworldcolumn.org to read my regular columns in the EASTERN DAILY PRESS newspaper, East Anglia's leading regional daily.   I MICRO-BLOG at: http://twitter.com/RupertRead   Watch me in a video on Norwich Greens' achievements: http://www.youtube.com/v/woMhWx5psKU&hl=en   My blogs, http://www.opendemocracy.net/blog/rupert_read & http://rupertsread.blogspot.com/ ] Well, I've viewed your attempts to break into media via Youtube, Rupe. And I've speed-read some of the blogs. Personally I've never felt the desire to offer media training/on camera presentation skills, but there's plenty who do, especially if you can google like your sister Kate? Similarly there's a very good creative writing course offered by the UEA. With a little help from my friends - I'm confident that Europe awaits you.    Report

28/08/2008, 11:01 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,218 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. - a key issue in the European elections Rupert.Thanks for your contribution to this thread.I would like to know what would be your solution to the problem re sea defences?    Report

28/08/2008, 4:00 PM Paul Holdsworth Joined on 09/03/2007 Yorkshire Posts 105 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. - a key issue in the European elections Hi Nevermind.                       Yes that's the NASA that can't make it's mind up ? Mind you, they have actually admitted that the equipment that is being used for "sea level rise" is actually not that accurate, if that's NASA how accurate is everybody else's gear, one would suggest not that !? One has to say that the "rise" in Norfolk may have, as has been pointed out, something to do with the fact that south eastern England is actually sinking, one is of the opinion that the sinking affect is about the only "fact" one can rely on !? Paul    Report

28/08/2008, 5:15 PM Pat and Norma Gowen Joined on 17/04/2008 Hellesdon, Norwich Posts 10 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Keith wrote "When you mention over topping, do you mean permanent over topping ?* Yes, I did Keith. Apologies for not making that clear. A major North Sea Surge such as we experienced in 1937 and 1953 could add up to a further 2.5 metres to a nominal tide. Neither came on the highest tide. Although the resultant flooding would be of temporary duration, that could still destroy housing and habitat and salinate farmland for very long periods. You'll find the fine detail on North Sea Surges on our MARINET Website at http://www.marinet.org.uk/mad/nseasurges.html   We currently have a yearly sea-level rise of 3.2mm added to by 2mm of East Anglian sinkage annually. That's an equivalent of rise of 5.2mm per year. Thus one would have expected an effective sea rise of (3.2 + 2) x 35 = 182mm, i.e. 18.2 cm over the thirty-five years since 1972 when East Coast dredging began in earnest. Perhaps a mite more due to degraded weather, more powerful northerly winds, etc. On an average 1 in 20 mean beach slope this would have produced a sea advance of the mean high tide mark of 18.2 cm x 20 = 3.64 metres, perhaps allowing that little more for the worsening climatic conditions of global warming. In fact the mean rate of approach has been more than fifteen times this, with far deeper water offshore and normal high tide waves now regularly right up to the sea wall and dune front at many points along much of the East Anglian coastline. So it's not so much the glacial and icecap melt causing the rapidly escalating erosion. That's quite bad enough. But it is the draw down of our beaches now allowing the sea to reach and destroy the natural dune defences and threatening to undermine our sea walls, and that's brought about by intense and cumulative Offshore Aggregate Dredging.   I cannot see Europe taking happily to the abandonment of our precious wildlife sites that our regulatory authorities are required by international obligation to protect. Nor can I foresee the Court of Human rights agreeing to the governments reversal of the original protection of people's homes and living. My overseas colleagues can hardly believe what is happening on this in the UK.    .  Pat Gowen - MARINET & NSAG Pat Gowen    Report

28/08/2008, 7:45 PM GreenRupertRead Joined on 28/08/2008 Posts 2 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. - a key issue in the European elections John wrote: "Rupert.Thanks for your contribution to this thread.I would like to know what would be your solution to the problem re sea defences?" Normal 0 false false false MicrosoftInternetExplorer4 /* Style Definitions */ table.MsoNormalTable {mso-style-name:"Table Normal"; mso-tstyle-rowband-size:0; mso-tstyle-colband-size:0; mso-style-noshow:yes; mso-style-parent:""; mso-padding-alt:0cm 5.4pt 0cm 5.4pt; mso-para-margin:0cm; mso-para-margin-bottom:.0001pt; mso-pagination:widow-orphan; font-size:10.0pt; font-family:"Times New Roman"; mso-ansi-language:#0400; mso-fareast-language:#0400; mso-bidi-language:#0400;} In answer to John's question: (1) To ban outright marine aggregate dredging, the prime cause of the erosion. (2) To have some meaningful national effort put into reducing CO2 emmissions, the second major cause, and ... (3) To employ sea defences that are viable, affordable, functional and sustainable. Sea defences that work 'with' nature rather than 'against' it -- see the Marinet website for some examples (I support Pat Gowen's remarks on this thread, btw.).    Report

28/08/2008, 7:46 PM Paul Holdsworth Joined on 09/03/2007 Yorkshire Posts 105 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Thanks Pat.                     Just one question, according to the Enviroment Agency, their "flood risk management" and assesment of the "Broads" is based on a ridiculous proposition in that, they do NOT take into account the flood protection ie banking, that is inherent on the broads. Would you not agree that their assesment is both faulty and more to the point pointless and a waist of money ? Where does Friends Of The Earth stand on his pointless political farce ?   Paul    Report

28/08/2008, 7:52 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. "Sea Defences that work with nature and not against it". ? Could you enlarge on this statement. It is always better to work with nature but as the Broads are not 'natural' in the first place the statement seems to be another attempt to maintain a conservation stance in the face of the inevitable major inundation. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

28/08/2008, 8:40 PM Pat and Norma Gowen Joined on 17/04/2008 Hellesdon, Norwich Posts 10 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Keith wrote ""Sea Defences that work with nature and not against it. Could you enlarge on this statement. It is always better to work with nature".   'Tis quite true, Keith, that it is invariably better to work with nature than to defy it, but here we are not dealing with a natural situation. The recent sea rise and expansion and the huge escalation in erosion are entirely man made. Such rapid sea rise has only come about since our atmospheric CO2 levels have risen and the increase in erosion since commercial offshore aggregate dredging commenced. They are intertwined of course.   Paul's point thaty the EA's "flood risk management" and assessment of the "Broads" is invalid is in the main quite true. There's an awful lot that the EA fail to take into account, not least the fundamental cause and the appropriate rectification.    Paul also asked  "Where does Friends Of The Earth stand on this pointless political farce ?"    National Friends of The Earth address environmental impacts to the earth and air, but have never attempted to deal with those of the sea, which, after all, is two thirds of our planet, and upon which the quality of our land and air is dependent. That is the very reason that we formed MARINET, but within our ranks are many FoE Local Groups and members who as well as many individuals, fishermen, scientists, coastal dwellers and sea lovers fully support our policies. Pat Gowen    Report

28/08/2008, 8:42 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,705 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Far from having been presenbted with sustainable sea defense by our UEA boffins on the subject, we are being buttered up with managed retreat, a UEA policy that has been taken up by Government.   Sea defense can onlt buiy time, hence they cannot be sustainable, but buying time we must and if that means a requirement by our wildlife groups to consider the safeguarding of our food self sufficiency for some time to come, as well as peoples property and a 4-6 billion annual turnover from businesses in the fenlands, the  wash barrier proposal will show who really wants sustainale green energy and who wants to safe dickie birds, regardless of the 500.00 soul;d who live in that area of immense national importance. If we do not want to see nuclear power, than we have to use the largest potential for alternative energies that excist in Europe,here in Britain. Seeing large companies invest in taxpayer subsidised windpower is wrong, communities should be generating their own power, if these windfarms are then placed into intertnational waters/shipping/fishing areas beyond the territorial waters, than that is lunacy, trouble and risks we do not need to take.   The feeder tariffs, working well for communties and private householders on the Continent should be introduced here in Briatin, equally a simple zero VAT on all energy saving /generating sytems and methods would be a great advantage to housdeholders. Expensive private measures like micro generation and solar panels are exhorbiatnt, still, and the existing fuel poverty of many elderly and illpeople on benefits make this unaffordable, a middle class fad.   I expected to hear the Green Parties candidate make a pitch that included energy saving but hey, with centralised dogmatic politics these days, the green has blurred into grey and innovation is not the done thing when the media wants compliance.   Will the Green party support a wash barrier proposal, save the fenlands form a storm surge, develop green energy schemes that removes the need for two new nuclear power stations, all in one and with less HGV movements than the green Party accepted for the building of the Lenlease debacle in inner Norwich? or will they act up like George Monbiot and accept nuclear power as a green form of generating electricity. nevermind    Report

28/08/2008, 9:03 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Keith wrote ""Sea Defences that work with nature and not against it. Could you enlarge on this statement. It is always better to work with nature".   'Tis quite true, Keith, that it is invariably better to work with nature than to defy it, but here we are not dealing with a natural situation. The recent sea rise and expansion and the huge escalation in erosion are entirely man made. Such rapid sea rise has only come about since our atmospheric CO2 levels have risen and the increase in erosion since commercial offshore aggregate dredging commenced. They are intertwined of course.   Paul's point that the EA's "flood risk management" and assessment of the "Broads" is invalid is in the main quite true. There's an awful lot that the EA fail to take into account, not least the fundamental cause and the appropriate rectification.    Paul also asked  "Where does Friends Of The Earth stand on this pointless political farce ?"    National Friends of The Earth address environmental impacts to the earth and air, but have never attempted to deal with those of the sea, which, after all, is two thirds of our planet, and upon which the quality of our land and air is dependent. That is the very reason that we formed MARINET, but within our ranks are many FoE Local Groups and members who as well as many individuals, fishermen, scientists, coastal dwellers and sea lovers fully support our policies. Friends of the Earth need to make a much bigger decision on how they intend to address this issue. This is not just an issue of environmental impact in nature, this is the very real risk of the British Government throwing away a huge area of the United Kingdom, along with much of our food production. It is not acceptable and simply clinging to conservation policies is the weedy chickens way out. The East coast needs major work done to protect the area from flooding for the long term future, not silly sticking plaster ideas of controlled flooding in the name of some dicky birds. East Anglia needs to be opened up for major economic development to supply the finance and resources to meet this huge task. It is not a task for the weak kneed medieval OBN that slouch around here or the unelected bodies like the RSPB, BA etc who think they have a God given right to lord it over the locals in the name of self serving greed and arrogance. There is little time left and the blame will be on organisations like the FoE, if they continue to sit on the fence and muddy the waters with conservationism. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

28/08/2008, 11:57 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,705 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.  keith gerrard wrote: Keith wrote ""Sea Defences that work with nature and not against it. Could you enlarge on this statement. It is always better to work with nature".   'Tis quite true, Keith, that it is invariably better to work with nature than to defy it, but here we are not dealing with a natural situation. The recent sea rise and expansion and the huge escalation in erosion are entirely man made. Such rapid sea rise has only come about since our atmospheric CO2 levels have risen and the increase in erosion since commercial offshore aggregate dredging commenced. They are intertwined of course.   Paul's point that the EA's "flood risk management" and assessment of the "Broads" is invalid is in the main quite true. There's an awful lot that the EA fail to take into account, not least the fundamental cause and the appropriate rectification.    Paul also asked  "Where does Friends Of The Earth stand on this pointless political farce ?"    National Friends of The Earth address environmental impacts to the earth and air, but have never attempted to deal with those of the sea, which, after all, is two thirds of our planet, and upon which the quality of our land and air is dependent. That is the very reason that we formed MARINET, but within our ranks are many FoE Local Groups and members who as well as many individuals, fishermen, scientists, coastal dwellers and sea lovers fully support our policies. Friends of the Earth need to make a much bigger decision on how they intend to address this issue. This is not just an issue of environmental impact in nature, this is the very real risk of the British Government throwing away a huge area of the United Kingdom, along with much of our food production. It is not acceptable and simply clinging to conservation policies is the weedy chickens way out. The East coast needs major work done to protect the area from flooding for the long term future, not silly sticking plaster ideas of controlled flooding in the name of some dicky birds. East Anglia needs to be opened up for major economic development to supply the finance and resources to meet this huge task. It is not a task for the weak kneed medieval OBN that slouch around here or the unelected bodies like the RSPB, BA etc who think they have a God given right to lord it over the locals in the name of self serving greed and arrogance. There is little time left and the blame will be on organisations like the FoE, if they continue to sit on the fence and muddy the waters with conservationism. Friends of the earth depends on their members just as the other NGO's, they have done a sterling job, half of it. Sadly they and their fellow green ngo's cant spout unity and can't be supporting political paries, also they did hold up a Lib Dem manisfesto once and said it was the greenest manifesto ever, poor deluded souls out for new members.   You are bang on the money keith, nevermind      Report

29/08/2008, 7:46 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,218 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. After reading the most recent postings on this thread I would like to thank Rupert & co for their contributions to the thread[ The only party that has] As I see it the European Union is going to take a major part in Support for creating sea defences,and providing the hard cash for the job.My main worry is,will they be interested when we have got the likes of the National Trust,Natural England,R.S.P.B  and DEFRA all  prepared to sacrifice the land to the sea.Would you trust  the government with any money given to the project,because I woudn't.What a pity our politicians cannot put their self importance and greed to one side and for once get together and fight a common cause.The loss of land,property and lives means nothing to them and until the European Union tells them that saving lives and property is more important than saving dickie birds nothing will get done.I just wonder how much influence the Green Party has in Brussels.John    Report

29/08/2008, 7:33 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,705 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Still very little influence, John, the most clout is with the 3000, or was that 30.000 lobbying groups and the Commission, still appointed. So what happened to our Green Rupert, too many questions at once I suppose, or busy with trying to adopt a policy on recycling of food waste in Norwich, recycling is sooo important these days, about time it happens, one day it hopefully will apply to industry as much as it does to consumers. nevermind      Report

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