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02/08/2008, 3:56 PM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,373 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. http://www.defra.gov.uk/corporate/consult/...tions/index.htm     Yes still some tank traps and other bits and pieces. What will happen to the river when the outer harbour is built will be interesting but I can't see why the Port Authority should not keep control of the river and Breydon ebven if there are changes to the BA. A few commercial/fishing boats still use both so it will probably still come under their banner but how much they will be bothered to dredge when they have the new harbour facility remains to be seen. So does what the new harbour is going to do sediment deposition/erosion wise to the coast/river mouth. Which could have implications for the river system in the Broads area perhaps?    Report

03/08/2008, 6:10 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,219 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. It is said Gardener that the B.A. would take over the navigation responsibilities from the Port Authority if they were given full National Parks status.The B.A. do at the moment patrol Breydon on a sort of voluntary basis,but as I understand it,they cannot enforce any laws on there..Breydon is important for the wading birds etc.and the moment dredgers start to clear the shipping channel I can see one almighty row developing.I do know that I am always glad to get over Breydon especially at low water.The area from the Yacht Station to Marina Keys is a complete eyesore.Now there is a opportunity to build new homes and businesses.The low water at the Yacht Station always reminds me of the Run at Wells Harbour,Makes you wonder how boats got there in the first place.We actually took a photo of a seal on Breydon last year.Perhaps in a few years time seals will be common at Potter Heigham.John    Report

03/08/2008, 10:16 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Probably Wales as well if they get their way. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

03/08/2008, 10:46 AM Bemused Joined on 19/08/2003 Europe Posts 894 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Do you mean whales, Keith ?   Yosemite and Yellowstone are overdue !    Report

03/08/2008, 10:57 AM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,373 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. I noticed the mud in the Bure at low tide the other day and wondered how boats got on mooring. If you are interested in the history of the area, the punt gunners from Cobholm etc books by Arthur Patterson and Ted Ellis cover the ground.I may have mentioned before that the area next to the Bure Bridge on the Yarmouth shore as you enter the Bure used to be the site of pleasure gardens/tea rooms and bowling greens I understand. It is now in the regeneration zone but since it is in a flood risk area would seem much more sensible to me to return it to a leisure use- a good place for riverside lawns, pubs, a hotel and new casino and even clubs with not many residents nearby to be bothered by the noise and easy access to the station. I can never understand the obsession with building homes on riversides- the smell, of tidal mud anyway, is not always the nicest!  And as for Runham Vauxhall, well there should have been a road across it and a new Bure Bridge near the Bure Park so people living North of Yarmouth dont have to sit in mile long traffic jams in summer and holiday traffic could be taken straight from the Acle straight to North Denes and enter Yarmouth that way but apparently it is not thought necessary by "experts".    Report

04/08/2008, 6:24 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,219 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Ah well Gardener you will have to look at one of the hirers boat manuals to tell you how to moor up at the Yacht Station.It goes something like this, I f you are approaching the Yacht Station with the tide,turn towards the opposite side of the river,and turn gently into the tide.Thats ok for those sitting in Colegate but what they forget there is more than one boat on the river,the rate of knots the tide goes in and out at the Yacht Station and the width of the river at that point.I got a rollicking last year by the Yacht Station attendant for speeding.I was going with the tide,having just come under Vauxhall Bridge,engine shut right down to its minimum and I was still exceeding the speed limit.What a pleasure it would be if Marina Keys was made a more hospitable place to moor.A nice walk down by the racecourse to the sea front and a walk along the beach but I am afraid hardly anybody will pay £10 to moor up there as it is now.I am not sure whether Keith is thinking of linking up the Bure with the Severn or expecting some large humpbacks on Breydon.John    Report

04/08/2008, 9:26 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. No Wales bemused, after I have flattened it. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

04/08/2008, 9:52 AM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,373 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Presumably John the economics go somewhere along the lines of x number of mooring fees + y £ spent in local pubs, supermarkets and attractions = nothing like the cost of creating a better marina/mooring facilities. If for instance the hire companies were to show some interest in paying for a marina on the west side of the river in order to create better facilities for their hire customers then I expect the BA/Yarmouth might show some interest.But because the river runs very fast there and is tidal wouldn't any marina pool have to have protection against surges? I believe the nature of the river at that point makes any solution difficult-it is piled and banked to prevent flooding and I assume to help the scour with the ebb tide which makes it a dangerous stretch anyway. Perhaps better moorings could be built up stream with a river bus run into town in the high season.  Not being critical of individual boating people but when caravanners go on holiday they do not expect sites to be created at the expense of non caravanners, the sites are run by businesses. If the hire companies think the marina at Yarmouth is not good enough they should be given permission to create one at Runham Vauxhall to regenerate the area.    Report

04/08/2008, 2:55 PM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,219 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. The Stracey Arms  is the last mooring place before Yarmouth,Gardener,so it would be too far for a river bus into Yarmouth.This is one big problem,you have to go under the bridges in Great Yarmouth at slack water.If this happens to be very early morning or late evening you have no option but to moor up at either the Yacht Station or Marina Keys.I believe a boat went to the bottom at the Keys last week,cause unknown.Whichever way you approach Great Yarmouth you have got a good 90mins before you get to safe moorings.I agree with you,i think that the likes of Hoseasons,Blakes etc.should be dipping their hands in their pockets as well as the big hiring companies.The B.A have without doubt the best 24hour moorings and places like Beccles,Oulton and Norwich are reasonably priced with free access to fresh water.Then on the other hand you can moor up at a pub,no water facilities or showers etc.and pay nearly double.Not even a refund if you wine and dine at the pub.I think that caravan sites are getting the same.Some charge a flat daily rate and others charge for a awning,two cars,dogs and even the missus if shes not on a lead.It just depends on what you want.Butlins or Waxham.The pitch fees are the same so you take your choice.John    Report

06/08/2008, 10:07 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,219 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Judging by the reading on the EDP[Text Only News] i can now understand why small businesses are reluctant to open any business premises on the Broads.If it is true that cafe's etc. are being asked for a licence fee 10 times more than Blackpool to have outdoor facilities what would a licence cost for a waterside cafe,remembering that it is very seasonable.I don't know whether the licence would be granted by the B.A. or local council.These are the sort of facilities sadly lacking around the Broads.Not everyone wants to sit in a public house.John    Report

06/08/2008, 10:55 AM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,373 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Missed that one John unless you mean the seafront at Yarmouth where they extended the pavements when they spent the regeneration money with the idea that restaurant and cafe owners would put out continental style tables and chairs. Only then they asked so much for licences that none of the proprietors have been able or willing to afford it. After all there is only so much you can make on a cup of tea. Sheer gree, a nominal charge would have been enough and encouraged people to linger longer.  I am surprised the business owners have not been looking at their deeds to see where the front gardens of their buildings used to be. It could be that as in Cromer there were front garden walls that got taken down for ease of access and then they were paved and became part of the pavement without ownership having been transferred.Sometimes small markers indicating this can be seen.    Report

06/08/2008, 11:10 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. You mean that GYBC might have built on somebody else's property gardener. I will make sure this piece of interesting information continues to make it into the traders and publics awareness well into the future. A good legal team should be able to make a fair bit from this, if true. GYBC have still to arrange compensation for giving my grand daughter pneumonia, so anything that proves their total incompetence is of great use to me. I have not time for the greedy b-----s whatsoever. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

06/08/2008, 11:20 AM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,373 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. If you keep your eyes skinned in Holt or wherever Keith you might spot small plaques saying something like under Right of Way act there is no right of way etc and I gather this indicates that the ground underfoot still belongs to the adjacent building. Applies in my village anyway where former garden walls in front of small shops have been removed.    Report

06/08/2008, 11:55 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,219 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Just discovered the article of Norwich under water.Although a computer game Play Gen have invented a game where several cities would be under water if the ice caps melt.That should set a few minds ticking over,even the government are said to have approved the game.What a pity they do not think a little harder and show the whole of Norfolk under water.John    Report

06/08/2008, 12:11 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. It is pathetic John. They show major flooding of places like Norwich and ask for ways to protect centres of population and totally ignore the coastal areas and the real existing risk. If the correct action is taken and coastal defences built, the centres of population would be safe anyway and the country would benefit from cheaper cleaner energy production and acres (sorry square kilometres) of re claimed land. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

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