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 16/07/2008, 9:51 AM
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john
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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I wonder if someone could tell me if the Trinity Broads are open to the general public for the purpose of sailing.The B.A. announced that they are spending half of the government grant,pumping out the Trinity Broads and others.I did not realise that the Trinity Broads had any access for navigation to the main rivers.I would have thought that Hickling Broad and Horsey Mere was more important at the moment but there again Natural England have got their way.John
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16/07/2008, 10:10 AM
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gardener
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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I will ask my mate but in the mean time try Filby Sailing Club on the yellow pages or google. Ormesby Broad/Rollesby only ever seems to have very small dinghies or whatever they are called, again try Ormesby Sailing Club or write to them- it is next to the bridge at Ormesby St Michael.Failing that email the Broads Authority. They are indeed busy sailing clubs and a lot of Norfolk school children used to get their first chance to learn to sail with Filby Sailing Club.
I don't know why they think they need to mess about with the Trinity Broads, fair enough dig out Little Broad which is really little ( like a big pond it was )and is on Fleggburgh Common and was just over growing with sedge and stuff. In itself in that state it was good, lots of rare draginflies etc- it was only a tiny peat digging and land locked. The Trinity Broads as I have said before are special because they provide our drinking water, complete with duck muck, so that is why they don't have motorised boats but they are very well known for more leisurely stuff, rowing boats etc and pike fishing. In the past the house opposite the garden centre was the Sportsman pub/hotel with rooms for visitors.So the Trinity Broads certainly get used and have their place in local life for quiet enjoyment, even if not on the map of the boat companies.
I fear once they start messing about with them they will upset the balance of fish/aquatic life that they have taken so long to get right and we will get blue green algae again.
It used to be possible to canoe across from Ormesby to Acle going up the Muck Fleet, (which is a glorified ditch so you would not call it access in the real sense as it is very small and has a sluice gate at the Bure end I think)- I assume this is what they are hoping to do again.Last time I looked the water level was low and it was overgrown. I assumed this was because they were wanting to keep the water level up in the Trinity Broads.
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16/07/2008, 11:30 AM
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john
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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That is what I thought Gardener.Why mess about with something that is only used by dinghy sailors and canoes etc. I am not saying that sailing isn't important but I would have thought it would be at the bottom of the list for dredging.Ididn't realise it was the B.As responsibility to dredge out water that was not in the navigation system.Hickling for example has been choked up for years and would be one of the first of the Broads to be in line for flooding.John
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16/07/2008, 11:45 AM
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keith gerrard
 
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17/07/2008, 6:34 AM
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john
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The point I was making Keith was, I don't know if the sailing clubs based on Filby have to pay river tolls as do the navigation section.I read on another web site where the pumping out of these lakes was orchestrated by Natural England and if this is the case what we have is a government handing out a grant[in this case to the B.A] and then the governments own quango dictating where and how the money has got to be spent.So,why have we got the B.A? Quango's and charities are dictating how and where the money has got to be spent.All the B.A. are doing is providing the labour.Lets get down to some serious dredging,you don't need the R.S.P.B.and Natural England to tell you that the Broads need some serious maintainance and investment,something that the charities and quango's are not interested in.As long as the Bittern booms,everything is O.K.John
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17/07/2008, 9:28 AM
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gardener
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Perhaps John, when we have a minute , we ought to do some serious googling ( or ask Mr Campbell which might be quicker) because I have a feeling that river tolls and navigation fees don't begin to touch what it costs to maintain navigation and facilities etc on the navigable waters. I could be wrong and am open to correction.
As I said, I do not know why they feel it necessary to mess about in the Trinities and at the moment I cannot find exactly what they are planning to do.I suspect it has something to do with keeping the water the right depth for it to stay healthy by removing accumulated sediment and to protect the water supply as well, which is fair enough.
http://www.broads-authority.gov.uk/projects/trinity-broad.html
Both Filby and Rollesby Sailing bases can be found on search engine I see Rollesby has an Associate fee so perhaps this would be suitable for visitors. Launching sites on the broad are restricted so you would probably have to go through the club.
Please do not fall into the trap of thinking the Broads are all about boating holidays. The Trinity Broads are a prime example of broads that are used and enjoyed by local people and I think we deserve as much consideration as those who come for a fortnight a year. Those of us who live close to the Trinity Broads take great pride in them and the diversity of wildlife thereon, whether it is hearing a bittern, watching tufted ducks or once some rare divers, seeing the bats at night or feeding the ducks. Many holiday makers who are taking land based holidays enjoy these broads because they are easily accessed on foot.
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17/07/2008, 10:05 AM
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john
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I wouldn't dream of thinking that Gardener.My family and I have spent a lot more time exploring Norfolk and the Broads other than on a boat.Looking into the future I cannot see where the hire craft business will survive.We used to visit Filby and Ormesby quite a lot,I must admit I wasn't too keen when the "night club" started up.I try to think of the Broads as being suitable for all and indeed there is plenty for all, if the quango's and charities thought the same instead of having very narrow,selfish minds.As far as sailing on the Trinity Broads are concerned,you are most probably right,any member of the R.Y.A.can usually sail on affilliated clubs waters.I was secretary of a large sailing club situated on the River Trent so I appreciate the facilities on the Trinity Broads but I just wondered what it had got to do with Natural England and pumping out the silt.Either the B.A.is in charge or Natural England.John
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17/07/2008, 10:13 AM
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gardener
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Goodness knows, Natural England pops its head up all over the place these days. Didn't the BA buy the dredging equipment from the EA so perhaps they are sub contracting from Natural England which has some moeny in its budget to spend? No idea!
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17/07/2008, 10:48 AM
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john
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The B.A.were given hundreds of thousands of pounds towards the general maintainance of the Broads Gardener, provided it was NOT used for the purpose of dredging.Along come Natural England and say we will pump out the silt on Trinity Broads.So there must be a dividing line between pumping and dredging.The B.A. say that they have used half of the grant on the project and yet DEFRA said it was not to be used for dredging.John
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17/07/2008, 11:09 AM
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keith gerrard
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17/07/2008, 11:37 AM
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john
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Jamie is the one to enlighten us on that one Keith.What I also found most interesting in the EDP News[text only] Sir David Attenborough is going to make a big thing of saving the Swallowtail Butterfly.The Norfolk Broads is one of the designated areas for the conservation of butterflies.I wonder if he is aware that Hickling will soon be part of the North Sea?John
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17/07/2008, 11:46 AM
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gardener
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I am sure he is because I don't think he is a fool and they are well worth seeing. I think if I could get hold of the seed of the milkweed that the caterpillars feed on I could grow it in my garden, as could many people who live in the area.
This butterfly thing puzzles me.AFAI am concerned what is left of the countryside is in better nick than it was in the 70s, hedges and woodland reinstated, field side strips etc. Perhaps the blame lies with roadside verge cutting and the general suburbanisation of the countryside and villages. People sneer if a yard or garden is left with nettles three feet high or a bank over grown with willow herb but clear them away and there goes your caterpillar food.
Or maybe it is global warming/cooling changing seasonal weather?
Or they did the last counts in really good butterfly years
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17/07/2008, 11:53 AM
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john
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I should have thought Gardener that Hickling was one of the least disturbed Broads in Norfolk.At least the R.S.P.B.think so.John
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