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 15/06/2008, 3:41 AM
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Eddie Mallett
Joined on 11/01/2008
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Hi Amber
So you dont think that a person who is sent to a room that is haunted by an evil spirit by themselves is not suffering. Hmmmmmmm
Have you not seen their fear & terror. I most certainly have.
Their body language is not put on. What I have seen is true terror from these people. Terror that does not need to be there, if a clearance is done propaly.
Evil spirits feed on a persons fear & on this show, they are getting a good glut of it.
Any type of mental trama is phycological torture. This includes fear. When fear turns to terror (which have been shown on the people on the show more than once) these can leave mental & phycological scars to those people. Mental & phychological scars that can last a for life time. People have needed pyhiatric counselling for less
So Iwould class these people as suffering.
Suffering for entertainment sake, is not the sign of a good show.
When people see the mediums on the show sending a person to a room by themselves & the person going though hell. Those people watching the show, that dont know any better as to the workings of spiritual mediumship is thinking that the mediums know what they are doing & that this is the right way of going about it.
So hence the show is giving mediums a bad name.
I should know, Ive been in contact with quite a few mediums that have seen the show & they have been horrified by the way how mediums have been represented on the show.
If you know of any your friends that are mediums, just ask them what they think to the show. I'm sure that if they have already seen the show that they would have been as horrified by the show, as the mediums that work in the spiritual church's that I attend.
Nuf said......Humph.......I dont think so!
Best wishes
Eddie
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15/06/2008, 3:59 AM
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Eddie Mallett
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Hi Paul, Hi Irene
Will give a write up tomorrow on my thoughts. At the moment though my thoughts are thinking. Thats pretty amazing.
I totaly agree with what you say Irene. antagonizing a spirit is not the way to go.
If you antagonize a person, that person sooner or later will bite back. A spirit was once a person, there fore no difference.
Off to bed now.
Best wishes
Eddie
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15/06/2008, 8:49 AM
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jenny
Joined on 27/02/2008
norfolk
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Amber
why oh why are you being so rude
jenny
sorry but im in total agreament with what eddie has put every body has a view but theres no need to put people down
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15/06/2008, 9:49 AM
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Amber
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15/06/2008, 12:52 PM
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dyingtotalk
 
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Hi Everybody,
Up until now I haven't posted on this thread because I have only seen a tiny portion of the programme itself, and have not been following the series. I have been reading the thread with interest though.
Hi Irene - studying and working with the late, great Gordon Higginson - WOW - in my book that makes you a very lucky lady! We were fortunate enough to have seen him work several times, and to attend some workshops at our local Spiritualist Church when he was visiting. He was a lovely, lovely man and a great medium - and I'm sure he probably wouldn't feel too comfortable with the 'late great' tag I've given him - but I stand by it!
Hi Paul - I am glad that you are feeling so much benefit from the help Irene has been giving you, and my thoughts are with you and your family, and with Irene, as I'm sure she will need support from like minded people whilst she is throwing her efforts into helping you.
Re the programme itself - well as I've said above I have not been following it, so I cannot comment on what has aired on TV. I am saddened, but not surprised by Paul and Irene's experiences with the TV crew.
Amber - what you say is true in that the programme is aired as 'entertainment' but I think that is...
a) the root of the problem
b) No excuse.
After all, the mistreatment of others, or the exploitation of their weaknesses, have been used as excuses for entertainment for many years, and looking back at history we do not generally accept that it was OK for this to have happened, just because it was in the name of entertainment. It is generally considered that (for example) we have moved on from the days of 'throwing the Christians to the lions.'
In my opinion, (and it is my opinion, which I accept others may not share), just about the worst thing that has happened to the whole arena of mediumship and all manner of things associated with it within TV, is the 'For Entertainment Purposes Only' clause which has been brought in at the end of the programmes. This is touted by some as a solution to the problem of 'the unscrupulous preying on the vulnerable' (I'm paraphrasing here, but that is the gist of it!) However in reality it has done the exact opposite. It has given the programme makers carte blanche to make a programme however they wish, which does not portray the reality of the situation because that bit at the end says it is for entertainment only. People who are watching it do not all consider that it is entertainment - many consider these programmes to be a true reflection of how the 'run of the mill' medium works.
You are quite right in that we can choose to switch off - and I do so, but many others do not. I'm reminded of a programme that was reshown on TV a while ago when BBC were showing some old dramas from around 30 years ago. They had a series of them on BBC3 or BBC4 - I think they were under the banner of 'Time-shift' or something similar. There was one called 'The Year of the Sex Olympics' which was made around 1976. Now, the costumes were awful - it was full of spandex and lycra suits - I suppose what the writer in 1976 thought we would be wearing 30 years later! However, there was a powerful 'message,' if you like, within the premise of the programme.
Basically, without giving too much away, (because Eddie may be searching for it on utube!) the population was divided into two groups - the beautiful, well dressed elite who made the TV programmes, and the dowdy, moronic rest, who watched them - 24 hours a day. The TV programmes were all 'reality' shows (hence the 'Sex Olympics' of the title). The watching population had become so entranced by the TV shows that they could no longer think for themselves, and the programme makers were totally brainwashed into believing that the TV companies were godlike! A death occured unexpectedly on air, which was something that had not been shown before, and one of the producers noticed a 'spike' in the reactions of the watching public. He therefore decided to send a family group to a desolate, unhabited island, with cameras on them 24 hours a day, to broadcast their experiences to the public. (Is any of this sounding vaguely familiar?) However he had a surprise lined up for them on the island, and when this surprise appeared the viewing figures improved even more. The programme ended with the family dealing with this 'surprise,' and in the process getting in touch with their own humanity again, with all its savagery and beauty.
That is a summary of the show - it was old fashioned, and it was 'shaky' in places, but it was written 30 plus years ago, before Big Brother, I'm a Celebrity et al were even thought of. How much closer may we be to that scenario in another 30 years time? Some would say we are already living it to an extent! I recall channel hopping and coming across the Big Brother 24 hour coverage. I sat disbelievingly as the camera panned round the empty living room for a while, whilst the announcer informed us that it was '3.30am in the BB house, and nothing is happening!'
However you look at it, our population is becoming increasingly like the 'watching population' of the programme above, with more and more voyeuristic programmes, and less and less discernment by a huge number of the public. Yes - sometimes seeing people being subjected to things that are out of their comfort zone is funny or entertaining, and we all need light relief. Yes - you could say that people choose to go on these programmes - which is true - but in many cases they are not told the truth about how the programme will be cut and aired, and if someone genuinely believes that a programme will help them, because that is the way it is 'sold to them' by the production team, then I for one can understand them deciding to give it a try.
I shall continue to 'switch off.' My concern is for those who don't, who are being given a false picture of a rather complicated subject, in probably 45 minutes worth of viewing, and for people like Paul and Irene, who are being affected by the making of the programme.
Finally, Amber, we all have our strengths and weaknesses. I don't know what yours are. One of Eddie's weaknesses may be his spelling. His strengths are undoubtedly his kindness, his generosity, his desire to learn, his ability to consider others' opinions and probably many many more character traits I am not yet aware of. I value his opinions more than I do his spelling, as I believe so do many others on this forum.
Regards to all
Pat
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15/06/2008, 1:32 PM
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Amber
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"Mistreatment of others", "exploitation of weaknesses". Hmmm. I wonder, who is exploiting people more - mediums who say they are clearing spirits from houses (whether they charge money or not, whether on TV or not) or people who make entertainment programmes? Too close to call I'd say, but the stones and glass houses metaphor would never be more appropriate.
I no more trust Eddie's ability to determine what psychological damaging by what they see on a heavily edited entertainment programme than I do from someone who can actually spell the word - however I would give slightly more credence to the latter than the former.
I'm glad you have the ability to switch off Pat. I wouldn't worry overmuch for those that don't though, they're enjoying the entertainment (for that is what it is).
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15/06/2008, 3:21 PM
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dyingtotalk
Joined on 29/03/2006
Reepham
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Hi Amber
Replying in reverse order...!
I'm not sure what you base your last statement on. Some undoubtedly enjoy the programme - you presumably do, judging by your earlier posts. Some however, are less 'resilient' and are bothered or frightened by what they see on the screen. It seems a rather sweeping statement to make - are you purporting to speak for all of 'those that don't....' switch off?
Eddie was stating his opinion on a topic on this forum. You may disagree with him, and that is your right, but this is not a spelling forum. This is a forum is for the exchange of views and opinions on 'Spooky' subjects - without making derogatory comments about other members. In my opinion, forming a judgement on the validity of someone's opinion based on their spelling is rather a narrow minded viewpoint. I will stand up and be counted for my own spelling and grammatical inadequacies but they do not invalidate my opinions. Some can spell and some can't; some split their infinitives and some don't; some construct proper sentences and some don't!
Re your first paragraph. I'm sure you are correct - there are some people who offer to 'clear' houses of spirits and they are exploiting the owners. There are also many genuine people who are helping the owners of these properties - perhaps in ways you cannot appreciate, if you have not experienced something similar yourself. My point was that it is not acceptable to say 'Ah well, it's entertainment' and to use this as an excuse for treating people badly, or for mis-representing a subject. If Irene and Paul's experiences are typical then it seems a very 'take the money and run' attitude from the TV company. Maybe there are other families who have thoroughly enjoyed their appearances on 'Living With The Dead.' Perhaps we will hear from some of them on this forum (I hope for their sakes they can spell though!)
I do not find a great deal of entertainment value in watching people being scared or humiliated - which is the case on a lot of TV nowadays. That is, of course, my own viewing tastes. In my personal experience Mediumship and its ilk can have some very funny moments - it is a good thing to be able to laugh at what you do or are involved in, and to see the absurdities in life. However, there is no entertainment or humour in speaking to someone who is so overcome with grief at the loss of a loved one that they can hardly speak, and their next move is attempted suicide, or in a family who are selling their house and losing all their investment because they are so overwhelmed by the energies and 'hauntings' within their home, or in a parent whose child has died in a road accident, and the parent is blaming themselves for leaving the gate open. You may consider these emotive examples, but they are real examples. Death, loss and spirit are emotive subjects.
Anyway, obviously you, like me, have strong views on the whole subject, so on this occasion we will have to agree to disagree!
Best Wishes
Pat
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15/06/2008, 5:11 PM
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Amber
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My point - and it still stands - is that I trust no-one's ability to judge whether a person has been psychologically damaged on the basis of sitting at home watching a highly edited and packaged entertainment show, and even less so when the person can't even spell the word (even if I don't believe that people have to spell every word correctly on an internet forum, which I don't).
There is nothing "sweeping" in assuming that people are watching a show because they are entertained by it, in fact it is rather counter-intuitive to suggest that people are watching it in spite of themselves, or to cause themselves grief. What proportion of the viewing public are you purporting to speak for in this case I wonder?
These programmes are made as items of entertainment: that is what they straightforwardly and honestly claim to do. If people want to watch them they can, if they don't they don't. I don't personally see anything entertaining, useful or valuable in paying £1 a minute to have someone who has never met me give me a "reading" over the phone from 200 miles away. That's just my personal taste. But if people want to spend their time and cash doing that then that's up to them - hey, it's all entertainment (or so Trading Standards tell me).
I think it's great that Irene has helped Paul feel happier about living in his house via phone calls. And I'm sure that Irene feels happier that she's helped someone in that way. All great, everyone wins. However I would draw the line if someone charged £1 a minute claiming they have any kind of inside knowledge on a situation someone finds themselves in, via some kind of spiritual gift. I think that high horse would start to look more than just a little wobbly if someone did that.
Anyway, obviously you, like me, have strong views on the whole subject, so on this occasion we will have to agree to disagree!
Best wishes!
Amber
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15/06/2008, 5:17 PM
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dyingtotalk
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Hi Amber,
On this occasion ....agree to disagree.
Indeed.
Pat
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15/06/2008, 5:33 PM
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Amber
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15/06/2008, 5:50 PM
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spiritlady
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PAT RING ME PLEASE IRENE.
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15/06/2008, 5:50 PM
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Amber
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