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13/04/2008, 4:10 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Re E.D.P.News.A rave at Horsey Gap was broken up this morning and three arrested.It is a area owned by the National Trust,a area of outstanding beauty and is a SSSI area.Is this the gap that is not worth saving re Coastal Defences.I have not heard of any objections up to now from the National Trust,English Nature etc.re flooding.Seems that a bit of  music is more important.[Not that I am in favour of illegal raves]John Another point I wish to make John,  that is, as the National Trust own much of the land around here, It does seem to me strange that they have not commented    Report

13/04/2008, 6:21 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Trouble is Keith, One of the main problems with the Ravers jumping & walking over the Dunes is that they are breaking down the Dunes which is the main structure of our sea defences.    Report

13/04/2008, 8:22 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I wonder if they are aware of that swampie? Don't forget, it is not the ravers who are intending to flood your land and they can sure get publicity. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

14/04/2008, 7:20 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,218 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? You are correct keith.While we had our caravan at Waxham,the site could not open until Whitsun because of the SSSI,and yet twitchers could walk all round the land regardless.I have yet to see the R.S.P.B. coming clean with a statement on the subject.John    Report

14/04/2008, 8:27 AM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,373 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? No doubt someone else will put me right but I am sure that Horsey Gap did not used to be as open to vehicles as it is now- there only used to be a few motors parked on the corner and then a gate across. The NT are a stupid lot. On one hand they want places kept quiet (and Horsey Gap is one of the places that people should have to make the effort to walk to,) and then on the other hand the NT encourages all its members to visit. So we have a daft situation where the grey seals that used to be left in peace by the few people who walk that area being bothered by the extra numbers that the NT encourage along with their promotional literature and then the NT tell us what a good lot they are because they provide a  seal warden! Whether or not Horsey Gap is doomed is irrelevant, at the moment it is or was a peaceful haven for wildlife. The popularity of Sea Appalling since it got its rock reefs and grew a new beach has had a knock on effect on adjacent beaches -I wonder if the rave fraternity is in any way related to the jet ski, body boarder  fraternity. Anyway, I think ravers got what they deserve-everyone else organises their activities legally and pays for their venue and I rank ravers alongside all the others who have no respect for the countryside-the middle class moveins with big gardens but who still trespass with their dogs and let them c*** on land that belong to other people, quad bikers and off roaders who wreck green lanes and footpaths and those who drive out into the countryside to dig up wild flower bulbs- they are scum of the whats mine is mine and what's yours is mine breed fostered by NULabour.    Report

14/04/2008, 9:22 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? How can Horsey Gap being doomed be irrelevant gardener. I do not support the uncontrolled access and damage to SSI,s or to places where such access can damage wildlife etc. However all the people using the areas for other activities have an equal right to put their case as you have. The whole point of a democracy is to make 'fair' decisions'. Believing that Norfolk will remain an oasis for wildlife etc is an ostrich view of the place. Population is increasing at a rate of knots, as this government allows anybody and their granny to come here and promotes one parent families with as many kids as meets their booze budgets. The only logical way to reduce demand for land and housing is to have a war that kills millions off (Hmmmm). The stick in the mud (literally)OBN who are preventing sensible change, are the ones causing this risk of flooding. They play into the hands of the powers at Westminster and help them to keep money for flood defense for London and elsewhere. All the government has to do is divide the local people of Norfolk to conquer. The OBN obliges by fighting others like the ravers etc and keeps its head firmly in the mud. Soon it will be sea water. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

14/04/2008, 10:23 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,705 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads?  john wrote: You are correct keith.While we had our caravan at Waxham,the site could not open until Whitsun because of the SSSI,and yet twitchers could walk all round the land regardless.I have yet to see the R.S.P.B. coming clean with a statement on the subject.John   There has always been a law for twitchers and one that applies to everyone else John, Twitchers are not jumping up and down sand dunes, they are carfully treading onb the land with their clean wellies. That they have just arrived on a twitchers hotline alert and have driven some 400 miles in a 4x4 to see a little birdie, their impact on the environment, is never lamented. The RSPB is not a green NGO', today it is more orientated on the aquisation of land, farming and the purposeful presentation of an image that is friendly to all, including the largest bird killers of all, cats. nevermind    Report

14/04/2008, 11:02 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,218 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Horsey Gap was made popular Gardener when the area was published on the net and in magazines as being a area for Naturist bathing.It is not a official site for naturists but who is to complain.We used to walk along the coast path from Waxham[Designated dog walks] up to the Nelson at Horsey.There were literally dozens of tents erected in the dunes and they stayed there for days,barbeques and booze and yet nothing was done about them.Oh yes,and the loud music.The owners of the caravan site would not allow overnight public parking for that reason so where do they go,down to the Gap.John    Report

14/04/2008, 12:16 PM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,373 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Have you been down there lately Keith? What was a nice haven for wildlife and for those prepared to put in a bit of effort to access it is now a potholed quagmire ripped up by motors carrying the after Sunday lunch brigade. Of course everyone has a right to visit areas they have a LEGAL right to access but if a place becomes a honey pot promoted locally and nationally by organisations then the very attraction of an area can be destroyed. And I stand by my assertion that too many people move to Norfolk and don't stop to think for a minute whether they are trespassing when they walk their dogs or ride their bikes or horses. They are so selfish or thick that they think they can go just where they like, will have a 20K motor but wont spend £6 on a Landranger map marked with legal rights of way.My friend has been plagued by dog walkers from a new estate walking their dogs on a strip of grass that although it is unfenced and adjoins a farmer's field is part of his garden !     Report

14/04/2008, 12:45 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I agree with everything you say gardener, it was only yesterday I had a go at some silly woman who was letting her dog mess on one of my front lawns. It is of course essential to protect wildlife etc with a balanced approach. Unfortunately it is the unelected organizations that on the surface appear to represent this policy but in actual fact are the ones responsible for bringing attention to these sites for the purpose of profiting from it. They are the wrong people working in the wrong way. The BA and the RSPB are probably the worst of the lot. Unfortunately to establish a workable and well financed system for flood defense we all need to work together against this vested interest. If we do not it will fail. Allowing the enemy to divide the people by any method is a mistake. It should be possible to arrange things so that everyone is catered for gardener, there is enough room if flooding is prevented. Norman Lamb has acted as a sounding board at these village meetings on flood defense, perhaps the issue could be expanded into bigger meetings with the future of Norfolk's economy and the wild life issues discussed by as many interested parties as possible. It only takes the will to do it. Norfolk in the 21st Century would seem a good title. I do not see any reason why the people cannot ignore unelected quangos. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

14/04/2008, 1:54 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads?  keith gerrard wrote: Unfortunately to establish a workable and well financed system for flood defense we all need to work together against this vested interest. If we do not it will fail. Allowing the enemy to divide the people by any method is a mistake. It should be possible to arrange things so that everyone is catered for gardener, there is enough room if flooding is prevented. Norman Lamb has acted as a sounding board at these village meetings on flood defense, perhaps the issue could be expanded into bigger meetings with the future of Norfolk's economy and the wild life issues discussed by as many interested parties as possible. It only takes the will to do it. Norfolk in the 21st Century would seem a good title. I do not see any reason why the people cannot ignore unelected quangos.    Report

14/04/2008, 1:59 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads?  keith gerrard wrote: I agree, WE must work together, there's no use fighting those who are on the same side, and all of Norfolk should be able to have an opinon on this. Not forgetting people from outside Norfolk come here to enjoy the Broads & coastal villages. Unfortunately to establish a workable and well financed system for flood defense we all need to work together against this vested interest. If we do not it will fail. Allowing the enemy to divide the people by any method is a mistake. It should be possible to arrange things so that everyone is catered for gardener, there is enough room if flooding is prevented. Norman Lamb has acted as a sounding board at these village meetings on flood defense, perhaps the issue could be expanded into bigger meetings with the future of Norfolk's economy and the wild life issues discussed by as many interested parties as possible. It only takes the will to do it. Norfolk in the 21st Century would seem a good title. I do not see any reason why the people cannot ignore unelected quangos.    Report

15/04/2008, 10:19 AM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,999 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? NewsCover Story Sharewatch Legal Brief Sector ReportTop Ten Factsheets     About us | Advertise | Contact us | Terms | Privacy | EDP24 Home 15 April, 2008 10:16 Coastal policy plan to protect buildings 14 April 2008 DOMINIC CHESSUM Housing, businesses and other key facilities in coastal villages could be relocated further inland if they become threatened by erosion in a bid to keep vulnerable communities sustainable. A new policy, which is set to be adopted by North Norfolk District Council within months, makes provision for buildings to be moved to sites further from cliffs if worst case erosion predictions prove correct. And in a move designed to give the flexibility needed to combat the coastal changes, the buildings could be relocated to land where development would not otherwise be permitted. Last night erosion campaigner Malcolm Kerby, coordinator of the Happisburgh based Coastal Concern Action Group, said the policy would help maintain "thriving, healthy and viable communities." He said: "Authorities like NNDC are now in an extremely difficult situation because the government wants to walk away from defending our coasts. We need to be looking at creating sustainable communities. "None of us want to be in this situation and it is central government that has forced us into this position." With sea defences in many areas of the district no longer being maintained, the council's Shoreline Management Plan (SMP) gives an estimation of the impact of erosion over the next 100 years. In many cases the predictions show that villages could lose key parts of their infrastructure including shops, schools and churches as well as houses. The new relocation policy, known as EN12 and nicknamed Rollback, forms part of the council's Core Strategy. The strategy is being scrutinised by the planning inspectorate and could be given the inspector's stamp of approval by the end of May. It sets out an overview of how the whole district should develop in the coming years and sits alongside a set of documents called site specific proposals which detail where housing development will be permitted in each town and village. All together the documents make up a key part of the district's Local Development Framework (LDF), which contains all the council's planning policies. NNDC's LDF Working Party will meet today to discuss possible sites to build up to 26 homes in Weybourne, Overstrand, Bacton and Happis-burgh and up to 50 in Mundesley. The LDF working party is expected to visit all the sites later this month before their preferred options are put out to public consultation in June. Mark Ashwell, senior planning office at NNDC, said: "We are not abandoning the coastline "Within these areas we want to adopt a cautious approach to development. "In some costal communities that could be affected by erosion there could be community buildings which become at risk and we have developed a policy that could provide these facilities elsewhere in the village. I emphasis it is maybe, it is not definite." Mr Ashwell said the Rollback sites could not be chosen at present because it was not possible to predict so far ahead what the communities' needs may be.    Report

15/04/2008, 10:46 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Well, to be expected I suppose, after all there are no people in Norfolk local government with guts are there. Anything else would mean they would have to actually put some work and effort in to protecting Norfolk and its people. Obviously completely unacceptable to anyone with common sense but then common sense is in short supply with the OBN run local government structure as it is, only doing as they are told by their masters. I wonder what Norman Lamb has to say on this? Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

15/04/2008, 11:42 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,705 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Keith wrote: I wonder what Norman Lamb has to say on this? Simple, Keith, he'll say vote for me. nevermind    Report

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