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08/04/2008, 8:56 AM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Katie and John, as you know I shall going to the meeting tonight, I shall find out if their is being some sort of petition organise, if not I shall find someone to help me and do it myself. Meanwhile may I urge as many of you to write to your M P. The more backing from around the country we can get the better. If a M P thinks he is going to lose votes they will be more prepared to speak for their constituents. Thanks for everyone who has supported us, Swampie    Report

08/04/2008, 10:00 AM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,976 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Hi swampie Just to let you know I organised the petition for the flood sirens to be taken out of the hands of the multi agencies of Environment, Police and North Norfolk District council who between themselves managed to cock up the flood response last November and then blamed each other with none taking responsibility. I just designed my own pages and heading and then took it to several venues around our area. People signed in their hundreds and as a small village, we got a very good amount of signatures. Then others came on board and went door to door as well with no one refusing to sign. I then took it to Norfolk County Council to the Fire Protection Community Review panel, where we were well received although the media were not interested enough to turn up to give us more publicity. We are still fighting for answers and will not give up until we are face to face with the people responsible for the debacle and their bosses. A petition is only part of your fight, at least you have Norfolk County Council on your side, we do not have our council as they are part of our problem.      Report

08/04/2008, 5:28 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Hi Jill, Well done for everything you have done. I have never done anything like this before. If I need to perhaps you can give me a few tips.... To be honest with you I havn't a clue where to start. I managed to persuade a few people who were not going to attend the meeting to join in after all. Fingers crossed all goes well tonight. SS    Report

08/04/2008, 6:09 PM kenneth Joined on 14/08/2003 Posts 1,095 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? When all this is over, and assuming Jill is successful, I hope those of you in Norfok will recommend her for a civil award.  I know she wouldn't want to be singled out, but MBE's are given on recommendations and she is deserving in my opinion.      Report

08/04/2008, 6:26 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 10,626 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Try to list all the likely outcomes based on vested interest swampie. Trust NOBODY. Most of the established politicos involved in these meetings are involved for reasons other than flooding, try to work out what they really want to achieve. Their first priority is to stay in power. Passing the buck is a common method to defuse issues like this, just ask Jill. In fact asking Jill will give you some recent experience of the ENEMY. Be polite and DO NOT lose your temper. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

09/04/2008, 10:06 AM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,976 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Thank you kenneth, what an accolade I must agree with what Keith said The underhand tricks used in our struggle by the authorities are still being tried Firstly, the refusal to even discuss the event using the meeting as a cover for media attention by offering a clean up operation to make them look caring Ridiculous excuses, that if you know the area just do not stand up Using the chairman of meeting who is affiliated with their department to fence awkward questions Giving out literature on the night and asking for questions without time for people to study the papers Literature given out being so basic and useless The latest one is the police, who after five months have only just had a meeting with the flood wardens in which the villagers were not asked. Dividing the village and not calling a public meeting for all is not the way the villlagers want it.  We all need the answers. Of couse, my treatment at their hands being called a troublemaker which in real terms meant I was the whistleblower All these things from the people who should be working in our own interests. I feel sorry for these people in the villages which could be flooded, they will be up against the dirty tricks brigade as well I could go on, and on    Report

09/04/2008, 10:45 AM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,171 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? We have seen Norman Lamb MP on TV standing up for his constituents but has anyone seen Tony Wright MP or heard him say anything about this matter? I am right in thinking that Winterton is in his constituency so from the minute the Natural England proposals were written down at least some of the residents of Winterton will find they are the victims of planning blight. Remember how the mess about the Wroxham bypass dragged on and affected so many people? The residents of the affected area need a decision now, either the unthinkable abandonment of their communities and full and fair compenastion or a firm pledge to strengthen and hold the defences for the next 50 years or more. I would have thought anything in between is going to be damaging financially in terms of property value and  getting/paying for insurance. As far as the actual suggestions go, surely the half way measure of moving the defences back slightly would be just as expensive as maintaining them where they are? Has anyone seen a map for this suggestion-are they thinking of retreating to the coast road line and embanking there?    Report

09/04/2008, 12:26 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,559 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? No Labour MP's, or ministers, or officials were to be seen at last nights meeting, but all councillors made sure to get a say in. The meeting was very well attended, human rights law, article 8 and 14 were mentioned by lawyers present. Peter Boggis, who's effort to save his house an property are well known world wide, reported about the frustrating obstacles thrown in his way by councillors and offiicers, employed and payed by us. Malcolm Kirby was leading the proceedings round the isles, soon to be announcing his participation on come dancing so it seemed, he was master of the microphone, making sure everyone who had his/her hand up got a word in.   There was some 200-300 people present, some had to stay outside, they all came with trepedations about their property and land, the blight put on their houses since the announcement from DEFRA to do nothing, not unlike the response we got from another quango the Broad Authority, with regards to dredging. off course the TV took their shoots of MP's talking and were off, leaving Radio Broadland and Radio Norfolk to pick and choose. I see that the EDP only reported officialdom, not those who have warned for years about erosion and the dreadfull dredging.   All responses are being pooled by Norman lamb, so if anybody is objecting and wants his voice heard, please write to normanlamb@hotmail.com with all your points, he will be presenting the letters to the Environmental agency and DEFRA and the minister Hilary Benn, who's Southwold aboude has been singled out for flood protection in Southwold. Last night it was Lib Dems leading the way and showing noLabour ministers what they should be doing for their constituents. I earned some applause for pointing out that this is a common problem up and down the east coast, from Yorkshire to Essex, that we have to look after ourselves a little more and that the option for a mutually based non profit making lottery funding scheme to be founded, exist. We cannot rely on the Government spending the 1.6 billion they earned from selling dredged sand of Gt. Yarmouth on our sea defenses, as there is no requirement for them to do so, was pointed out By Pat Gowen, of the North Sea action group. I further pointed to the awesome extend of these new tasks, a past issue on here, like a sea dike with energy generation schemes between Skegness and Hunstanton, discussed many times before, is now becoming one of the main option available to saving the fenlands, our national vegetable basket.   What I forgot to say was, that there is not one court in the whole of Europe which would prosecute anyone for saving his house and property for his family, so the sooner all parties get together the better, because these are ongoing problems which need ongoing solutions. nevermind          Report

09/04/2008, 1:30 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Hi, Went to the meeting last night, some interesting information. The main outcome is that we need to FIGHT this thing by sending as many letters through Norman Lamb to the appropriate bodies, and to our MPs if we live different constituencies. It has also been brought up my husband (via me)  that we need to fight this on a national scale via a e- petition and also written petitions that can be signed locally by the people it effects directly and people visiting the area. Hickling village have a link to the petition I first mentioned on this forum. I am unable as far as I know to create another petition as this already covers the issues concerned. You can sign the petition http://petitions.pm.gov.uk/savethebroads I will post this link in a more prominent position if this is the way forward.    Report

09/04/2008, 2:42 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 10,626 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? IMO, there is only one person you might get any form of commitment from at these meetings and that is Norman Lamb. All the other officials present have no real idea of the action needed or the cost. Tony Wright is far more interested in supporting things like the Labour investment of Billions in the Olympics. He will try to stay away, telling you that the government has departments to deal with the problem. Ask him why his government is letting Norfolk drown as they spend Billions on rubbish like the OBN Olympics. I suggest that the next time Yarmouth floods, those effected send him and GYBC the cost of repairs and bills for the increased insurance needed. You will get little out of Great Yarmouth, it is being run by has beens frantically trying to keep their snouts in the trough as the Town dies.   Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

13/04/2008, 1:56 PM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,130 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Re E.D.P.News.A rave at Horsey Gap was broken up this morning and three arrested.It is a area owned by the National Trust,a area of outstanding beauty and is a SSSI area.Is this the gap that is not worth saving re Coastal Defences.I have not heard of any objections up to now from the National Trust,English Nature etc.re flooding.Seems that a bit of  music is more important.[Not that I am in favour of illegal raves]John    Report

13/04/2008, 2:58 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 10,626 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Good point John. The ravers were of course not buying into the OBN and its packaged illusions. The OBN have no room for people who will not conform to their demands. Exactly the same with flood defense. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

13/04/2008, 3:01 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Hi John, did you say the rave was on the EDP website, I can't find it.    Report

13/04/2008, 3:04 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Sorry, found it.... At least we are important enough for something.... I don't think we could stand all that starting up again.    Report

13/04/2008, 3:15 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 10,626 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I sympathize swampie. However, if flood defenses do get built, how about giving a small remote section of any saved land for the use of raves. Perhaps the ravers would join in the demand for flood defense. You could talk to them. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

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