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22/05/2008, 10:59 PM Paul Holdsworth Joined on 09/03/2007 Yorkshire Posts 105 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. R,E:- my last post.                            There are planning proposals for ferry boat yard at Martham. Houses and the lot, according to the enviroment agency flood protection has been taken into account !? Diving suit anyone !? Paul    Report

23/05/2008, 6:48 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,219 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. I see that Dr.P. is now handing out sweeteners to selected clubs in order to get his Broads Bill through the Commons. I just hope the Wroxham Sailing Club stands by the other petitioners in getting justice for ALL Broads users.John    Report

23/05/2008, 10:32 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Is there an organized group with regular meetings opposing this bill? If not why not. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

23/05/2008, 10:42 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,219 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. I am not sure whether there is a organised action group Keith.Perhaps Jamie could tell us.John    Report

25/05/2008, 7:22 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,219 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Mr.Norman Lamb M.P. is currently running a petition re the Broads Bill etc.Anyone interested should contact him at normanlamb@hotmail.com.I hope everyone will give him their support.John    Report

25/05/2008, 2:27 PM Mardler Joined on 15/11/2006 Posts 11 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. John and everyone else - I am fairly certain that Norman Lamb is not running a petition against the Broads Bill. The Bill has gone to the Lords and yes, there was a group of objectors, Keith - 14 petitions have been deposited within the time limit, now passed. Norman Lamb is actually involved in a petition against the options for shoreline management in Norfolk & their impact on the Broads put forward by Natural England.  See here:- http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=edponline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED24%20May%202008%2009%3A43%3A33%3A427 The petition details may be found here:- http://www.happisburgh.org.uk/content/House_of_Commons_Petition.pdf HTH.    Report

25/05/2008, 7:24 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,705 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.  Mardler wrote: John and everyone else - I am fairly certain that Norman Lamb is not running a petition against the Broads Bill. The Bill has gone to the Lords and yes, there was a group of objectors, Keith - 14 petitions have been deposited within the time limit, now passed. Norman Lamb is actually involved in a petition against the options for shoreline management in Norfolk & their impact on the Broads put forward by Natural England.  See here:- http://new.edp24.co.uk/content/news/story.aspx?brand=EDPOnline&category=News&tBrand=edponline&tCategory=news&itemid=NOED24%20May%202008%2009%3A43%3A33%3A427 The petition details may be found here:- http://www.happisburgh.org.uk/content/House_of_Commons_Petition.pdf HTH.   Neither is he in support of an elected BA board, does not want to rock the local boat too much. I am delighted that a few parishes have managed to get together and are realising that unity will get them somewhere.   But the villages and areas who regularly flood within the Broads, like Brundall and Surlingham, are most definately facing the same stark choices and far from letting the minister spread division, trying to serve one but not the other cause, he should be left in no doubt that Norfolk, Suffolk and Lincolnshire all need protecting and are united in their cause.    Report

26/05/2008, 5:12 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,219 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Mardler and Nevermind,I apologise if I mis read and gave the wrong information re the Broads Bill and Norman Lamb.I was under the impression that as he was fighting the Broads Bill,and this was connected with the petition.Sorry for any misunderstanding.John    Report

26/05/2008, 6:42 PM Mardler Joined on 15/11/2006 Posts 11 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. No probs, John. Nevermind, are you suggesting that Norman Lamb is not in support of an elected BA?    Report

26/05/2008, 10:46 PM Paul Holdsworth Joined on 09/03/2007 Yorkshire Posts 105 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Have a nice day.                          One thinks someone has just de-camped !? Is someone talking porkies, or is someone trying to confuse the situation, one thinks we have a situation here the equivalent of politic's !? Confuse the situation to the point where no one know's what they are doing, one hope's no one is going to be drawn on this until Mr Lamb show's his true colours !? Then certaing people can speak out, as long as they have kept those e-mail's !!!? Other than that oppogise are not the order of the day ( JK ) ?   Paul    Report

26/05/2008, 11:48 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. We should not forget that all three major parties are very centralized and run from London. London is not going to care for demands on its resources for what they see as a backward rural hinterland. To them the RSPB bill is all but finalized, be it modified slightly to suit the peasants. They think we should be thankful for their limited attention. The OBN they have in place here should keep us in order. No doubt they have been fafin about making sure that if floods do come sooner than their pension pay offs, they have plenty of excuses and scape goats in place. I do hope Norman has not been got at, he almost certainly is down as a scape goat somewhere in Whitehall. Unlike the Conservatives the Liberal system is not nearly so open among its own, thats right isn't it Keith? I will await developments for the moment but as you said, politics!!! Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

27/05/2008, 1:51 AM Paul Holdsworth Joined on 09/03/2007 Yorkshire Posts 105 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Hello Mardler.                      True colours, true brit, and all that !? What's your true position on the flooding of the northern broads, or is your true identity getting in the way ?   Paul      Report

27/05/2008, 6:21 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,219 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. From the outset of the leaked R.S.P.B. report where they squarely put the full blame for the neglect of the Broads on the shoulders of the B.A.I was under the impression from e-mails and letters received that Norman Lamb M.P. was pushing for a part elected Broads Authority in his objection to the Broads Bill.The also leaked document from DEFRA and the Environment Agency brought into the limelight the true agenda,Flooding the Broads.Again Norman Lamb is fighting these proposals.These two important matters have now got so inter linked with each other that people are getting confused as to what is really going on.Is this,I wonder,a deliberate ploy so that all attention is given to the proposed flooding plan and the actual Broads Bill will be lost in the corridors of Whithall.John    Report

27/05/2008, 7:59 AM Jamie Campbell Joined on 08/10/2007 Posts 76 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. John,  The petition Norman Lamb is running is about potential flooding and erosion of his constituency; nevertheless I suggest this may be worthy of your support.  Norman Lamb blocked the Broads Authority's Private Bill in the Commons for roughly an additional four months. He has a political objection to unaccountable Quangos. I think Norman would have been satisfied with just a couple of elected members of the BA; whilst the Scots Parks have four. Defining the electorate within the BA area will be difficult. There are not many residents; tollpayers contribute around a third of the BA income and the conservation groups contribute zero. In fact they expect to be paid for public use of moorings such as at Cantley and Heigham Sound. Should they all have a vote or should it be landowners only? Personally I wish to see democracy in the Broads but feel the quickest, fairest and cheapest way of introducing it, as stripping the Broads Authority back to a Harbour Conservancy. If the elected Local Authorities are responsible for the Local Authority functions currently carried out by the geographically tiny BA, then you have democracy for most people. The remaining Harbour Conservancy could then a) accommodate the conservationists and b) get on with installing a proper, professional Harbour Authority.  Simpler, easier to manage and therefore more effective. To my knowledge, there is no formal organisation to oppose the Broads Authority's Private Bill. Now the Bill is in the House of Lords, it's almost too late - although some fourteen individuals and organisations have Petitioned against this Bill. An informal group has grown around those who Petitioned the Commons (and their friends); most of whom post on Speakers Corner.  Broads-Nav.com also takes a fairly robust line.    Report

27/05/2008, 8:54 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,705 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.  Mardler wrote: No probs, John. Nevermind, are you suggesting that Norman Lamb is not in support of an elected BA?   Yes, I am suggesting that he is only in favor of electing two members on to the Broads Authority, as far as I know, but please put me right, I'll be delighted, he is not even suggesting these two to be replacing others, just being added. I would be great if clarity reigns within the opposition to the current setup, what do you think Jamie, everything looks clear as mud?   The moment we are divided they start playing with us, experiences of the past should have taught us this. nevermind    Report

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