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18/05/2008, 1:58 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,870 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Paul, The increasing risk of flooding in the Broads is as a DIRECT result of inevitable sea level rise. The RSPB the BA and all the other clicks of little people, in principle support keeping things as they are and ignore this fact. This will make lethal flooding in the Broads absolutely unavoidable. I to would probably wish for a better piling solution to that which you mention. It will matter not at all when it is all part of the North Sea. The details are far less important than finding the money and the will to build proper sea defences for the Broads. First we must be rid of those in the way of this purpose. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

18/05/2008, 2:10 PM Paul Holdsworth Joined on 09/03/2007 Yorkshire Posts 99 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Keith.         One is aware of "SEA LEVEL RISE" and it's implications ! One thinks this thread has run it's course, not because there ain't anything to talk about, but because it's got stuck on a point :- Keith, OBN ! Paul    Report

18/05/2008, 2:16 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,870 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. I disagree Paul, this thread has far from run its course. The RSPB has it is true, hidden itself away at present but it still exists as does the BA and as long as they do exist then the risk to the lives of the people of Broadland continues. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

18/05/2008, 2:35 PM Paul Holdsworth Joined on 09/03/2007 Yorkshire Posts 99 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. This is like having a discussion with the characters of "Magic Roundabout". We is going round, and round, and round, I'm on the point of enlisting into the f.... F Legion ! Press on Keith, OBN and the rest, it will matter not a jot, as most of those who look on, will look somewhere else as the point has run it's course, until the "Bill" is in or out, there is sod all to discuss, and as far as the 3 wise men, you guessed it they matter not a jot, to us or the BA !? I know what your going to say Keith, "this is why this thread must carry on" ! What do you want to do, stage a coupe at the BA, I'll stand behind you and JK, or should that be RSPB, BA, DEFRA, BESL!? OOOPS, not a mention of the million or so quid that BESL spent in Brundall on"flood prevention" guess what Keith, a million quid of the publics money spent on flood prevention and guess what Keith, it don't work, but then again, this is an offical body appointed by the government, and guess what you got them for long time, YEARS !? Does not BESL, deserve the boot too, or have we missed something along this parade, if you look at all of these ( as you put it ) OBN, there is more to OBN than RSPB, BA, and what ever other acronyms / abreviation (s) you wish to throw my way, the issue is not the people but WHAT THEY DO OR DON'T DO, or have I missed something again !? Is this thread "public interest" or is it personal ? Paul    Report

18/05/2008, 3:04 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,870 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. It is not I that established these abbreviations as a way to misguide the people. I would love to be able to stop throwing them at you, for that would mean that they had ceased to exist. The people of Broadland have in place their legally voted representatives and it is they who should be making decisions that form the future of Broadland. Norman Lamb and Keith Stimpson have both put in a great deal of effort opposing the present status quo, with little effect in the house. DEFRA is at present the sticking point, it needs to be fought. The people of Broadland need to re gain control of their future. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

19/05/2008, 6:21 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. You are so right Keith.DEFRA or in this case the word of 1 scientist is the sticking point.It seems that the the word of 1 scientist is sufficient to flood the Broads with sea water.If the governement are only prepared to listen to one side of the story it is up to our representitives in parliament to put our thoughts and fears to the house.By keeping this thread open it at least shows that this is not a one minute problem and is one that will continue,long after I cease to exist.At least I can say I have not surrendered.John    Report

19/05/2008, 9:06 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,431 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.  john wrote: You are so right Keith.DEFRA or in this case the word of 1 scientist is the sticking point.It seems that the the word of 1 scientist is sufficient to flood the Broads with sea water.If the governement are only prepared to listen to one side of the story it is up to our representitives in parliament to put our thoughts and fears to the house.By keeping this thread open it at least shows that this is not a one minute problem and is one that will continue,long after I cease to exist.At least I can say I have not surrendered.John The concept of managed retreat is indeed the work of one man, Prof Clayotn if I remember rightly.   I hear what Paul says and we are acting a little as if one foot is nailed to the ground, but, the facts are staring us in the face, the interests of a few, purporting to speak for their membership, something I do not believe one minute, have persudaded the BA and DEFRA to go aloing with htis view.   Rising sea levels are putting us on the spot, the million spent don't help much, they merely keep pace with the increase. 56 million spent on raising dykes between Brundall and Lowestoft, the same money would have bought a lock system.   The flooding of the Broads, the malfunctioning of the BA, as much as the sea defenses in the Wash and a possible wash barrier are all connected and there will be more of it in future.   Those who now renege on taking a pre emptive view, who fail to see that this problem needs us to be on the ball at all times will be responsible when the Fenlands flood and Norfolks cut in half.   Sea level rises will make the work eventually useless and the sea will encroach and take parts of the east coast, but we can buy time and we can engineer sea defences as the have done in Holland, what we cannot afford to do, is do nothing. nevermind    Report

19/05/2008, 9:48 AM Paul Holdsworth Joined on 09/03/2007 Yorkshire Posts 99 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Morning all.                   And may I say, what a pleasure it is to be asked to appear on Magic Roundabout and play school all in one session, one must by video link equipment, and today children we shall look through the SQUARE window ! Sorry ! Thanks nevermind, one is not trying to sack the thread, one is trying to open it up "a bit" to the broader, "why should we sack the organ grinder (s)" !? I appologise if this is ever so slightly inconvienient, but one is sinking into the mud that is OBN !   Paul    Report

19/05/2008, 10:26 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,870 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. They say that to much of an exposure to the OBN results in a narrow focus and increasing waist measurements. Don't know about any mud though, perhaps the pilings are failing. If the roundabout is going round in one place, it is solely the fault of DEFRA and its unhealthy connection to the other abbreviations.. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

19/05/2008, 2:30 PM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Having just read the report form Natural England[Text ony news] all I can say is that I am disgusted.All this emergency to save the bumble bees and the adders and yet not one word how to prevent a disaster of loss of life and property.Needless to say [surprise,surprise]they have asked the R.S.P.B.for their comments and support.From the jist of it they propose to open a new National park.I just wonder where that might be.John    Report

19/05/2008, 2:34 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,870 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. I hope Norman Lamb and Keith Stimpson are aware of this new development John. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

19/05/2008, 6:03 PM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Well I must say Keith,it opened my M.P.s eyes when he read the report he obtained from the Environment minister.I am afraid Norman Lamb is not my M.P so although he welcomes all the support he can get,it is up to his own constituents to furnish him with the report.I hope Paul can now see why the merry go round keeps on turning.John    Report

19/05/2008, 6:12 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,870 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. The trouble here is the local media John. They just do not seem to give a dam about the people of Broadland. As always they let such OBN issues slowly fade away to the benefit of the crooked. Do they really want a charity running Broadland. I thought better of Keith Stimpson, after his military speech in the committee meeting. This issue should be a permanent part of local media coverage, not hidden away. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

20/05/2008, 6:41 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. I never found anything about the report anywhere else Keith,so I suppose we have to be thankful for small mercies.I believe that the people of this country just do not give a damn if the problem does not affect them.I'm all right Jack has long been the norm in the U.K.The plight of pensioners is a good example.Hopefully I will be down on the Broads for a couple of days in a fortnights time and hope to be cruising round Hickling and Horsey and visit a few friends.John    Report

20/05/2008, 3:10 PM Paul Holdsworth Joined on 09/03/2007 Yorkshire Posts 99 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Hi Everyone.                   In WW2, while the Germans were building tanks, we were filling sand bags ! And just one more thing, if this thread keeps the world spinning, re:- OBN, then I'll retire and you can bring back "Dads Army" and I'll keep watch, Mr Manwaring ? Paul    Report

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