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 17/05/2008, 6:00 AM
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john
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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Briefly Keith,someone please correct me if I am wrong,the R.S.P.B. was the first of the quangos to raise the point that because the Broads had been badly neglected,mainly the fault of the B.A.it would be a sensible idea to return the whole of the Broads to a wetland.They were trying to make out that,because of the neglect with dredging etc.the Broads were no longer suitable for navigation.Of course,since then we have had our friends from Natural England and DEFRA backing up this idea but for different reasons.I am not certain where the big land owner [The National Trust] fits into all of this.As far as I am aware,not one of these organisations has engaged the general public or local businesses in their plans.Our only reliable ally is Norman Lamb,who is standing up for the "little people" and I thank him sincerely for his efforts.John
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17/05/2008, 11:23 AM
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Scaramouche
 
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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Confusion reigns once more.
The RSPB is not an Quango. It's an association and an abbreviation.
The Broads Authority is a Quango. Whilst BA is also an abreviation, a Quango is an acronym.
It stands for QUASI Official Non Government Organsation.
Which is a pretty fair description of the BA from where I sit.
Because there's precious little effective governance going on.
Can Scaramouche please now have the weekend off?
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17/05/2008, 12:20 PM
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keith gerrard
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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Don't worry Scary, as usual you have brought something to our attention which is of importance.
Confusion does reign and this is very useful to those who would like to see the issue slip from view.
It would be useful to stop using the term quango I think.
The RSPB as far as I know is a charity organization and those who run it are not voted into their positions.
The BA is a government organization that is also run by people who are not voted for.
As Scary rightly points out, there is precious little governance going on.
So IMO we no longer need any of these abbreviations running Broadland.
So what is the issue about again?
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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17/05/2008, 12:37 PM
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Paul Holdsworth
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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Hi.
One is of the opinion that this thread is in danger of driving itself into a stand still, or even going round in circles,
SUBJECT, HOW ABOUT :-
Chickens, "what came first the chicken or the egg" !?
Paul
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17/05/2008, 2:10 PM
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john
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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It still does not alter the fact that a "charity" organisation was trying to dictate to the people of Norfolk and government sponsored organisations what they were going to do with the Broads,given half a chance.John
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17/05/2008, 3:31 PM
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keith gerrard
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17/05/2008, 6:07 PM
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Paul Holdsworth
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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Have a nice day.
What I was saying was that the "conversation" has got stuck on certain points, there are other issue's relating to "The Broads" that deserve equal attention, like :-
Canalisation of the rivers, and what the BA are doing about their previous waist of money on what is supposed to be a river not a canal !
Bank re-enforcement due to wash from speeding boaters ( both private and hired !!! )
NEXT
Paul
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17/05/2008, 6:50 PM
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keith gerrard
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17/05/2008, 9:44 PM
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Paul Holdsworth
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Keith.
You missed the point again !
If this is called "RSPB REPORT", how come your talking about, Enviroment aagency, and the rest
Diving suit anyone !?
EXPLAIN ?
Paul
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17/05/2008, 9:54 PM
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keith gerrard
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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I did not miss the point at all.
All the organizations with a connection with the future of the Broads are relevant to the thread issue.
Diluting the thread content by discussing specific and detailed sub issues of maintenance are not.
Such work would be addressed and dealt with by whatever body was made responsible.
The Bill under discussion is to answer whether the RSPB has managed to achieve control over an area of the United Kingdom which from all our countries legal and democratic statutes should not be possible or acceptable.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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18/05/2008, 8:05 AM
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john
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Agreed Keith.It was the R.S.P.B.who originally brought out a damning report on the state of the Broads and what their intentions were in connection with the Broads.This continued with another leaked document from Natural England and yet another from DEFRA.all connected with the Broads and their intentions as to the future of the Broads.Combining these three was the ongoing battle of the Broads Bill,again on the very same subject.The future of the Broads.The coastal issues have been kept seperate as is the general maintainance of the Broads which is a matter for the B.A.what concerns us on this thread is the devious actions of the non elected people discussing what they want to achieve with no thought whatsoever for the people who live in the Broads area,the businesses,tourism and the possible loss of life if these organisations get their way.I don't know if Paul has contacted any of the M.Ps concerned with the issue.I contacted mine along with letters to Mr.Lamb and they keep me in touch with events as they happen and I think it only right that we support them by keeping this thread open and showing them that we do care about the Broads.John
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18/05/2008, 1:04 PM
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Paul Holdsworth
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Have a nice day.
The point I was trying to make was that the RSPB, is not the only issue, if you look at the issue of flooding the northern broads, RE:- RSPB, then you are bound by the word "flooding" to look at the other issue (s).
Canalisation of the broads, turning a river into a canal, BA or not, it's an issue that in my opinion has increased the threat of flooding on the broads due to the fact that there is no "soak" along those banks !?
Speeding boats, washing away the banks, is that not a threat to the broads !?
Coastal irrosion, is that not an issue which runs totally parallel to the RSPB, and the threat to "The Broads" ?
Diluting the issue is not the issue, but keeping the issue on a specific point (s) serves no one, especially those who are ill informed !?
Paul
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18/05/2008, 1:26 PM
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keith gerrard
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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You certainly seem to be scientifically ill informed Paul.
Sea level rise will take little modification from dredging or bank erosion measures.
The capability of fresh inland water to drain to the sea will continue to become more difficult no matter how the Broads are internally modified.
It is simply an absolute caused by the landward water table getting closer to sea level.
The argument for changing Broads dredging practice, is simply a smoke screen in support of maintaining the status quo and preventing sensible 21st Century economic development.
This is exactly the arguments favored by the RSPB, in their criminal pursuit of a wetland utopia for pretty dicky birds at the expense of peoples lives.
The people should wake up to this OBN Dictatorship that rules over Broadland.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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18/05/2008, 1:44 PM
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Paul Holdsworth
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Keith.
At what point in my last posting did I mention sea level rise ?
If your talking about sea level rise do you think that it's going to be helped by steel pilling the bank from Coltishall to Norwich, one think you have talken a pup and swollowed it !?
There are numerous way's of "piling" the banks to help relieve the flood threat without turning the place into "Steel City",
On this one I regret we are at a disagreement, if you wish to travel round the Broads looking at 200km of steel then ok, but I'll take RB's side on this one and that's saying something for me !
Paul
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