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14/05/2008, 3:45 PM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,130 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. If as you say Nevermind the B.A. does have elected members,how could we as members of the public attain a record of the votes cast and who stood for election? John    Report

14/05/2008, 3:59 PM Scaramouche Joined on 02/04/2006 obscure Posts 1,166 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Mine was not a eulogy in praise of quangos. I don't like them. I was merely pointing out that there are many recorded instances where they work well as administrative instruments. This isn't one of them - but that's mainly because of the conflicting agendas involved - and of course as so often - it's down to personalities. I think it was Socrates who described democracy as a dirty Greek word (or perhaps it was Groucho Marx?). Whoever - they had a point . Nevermind at least should have understood my references to single issue politicians, as he's by way of being one of them. Well, double issue I suppose, if you can square being green with promoting cannabis smoking. Funny, but I always thought potheads had a rather high carbon footprint?    Report

15/05/2008, 10:46 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,559 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. dearest Scaramouche, I am an ecological minded chap who can see the vast benefits of Hemp, it has left the prohibitionist approach behind. Criminalising our future taxpayers and jailing ill people for using it medically, whilst nodding like a donkey, is just not the done thing anymore, especially not when one wants to revive public finances. A vast prison building programme ala USof A, were the jailing of teenager under the age of 18 has increased by 50 % during the Bush regime, for nothing but dope, is not something we can afford, nor can we afford Quango's, they are expensive.   So Westminster, always making a point of being the oldest democracy in the wolrd, a touch of grandeur here, because Athens was democratised long before Britain, really choose it because it was a dirty way to go about, what a revelation, call the newsdesk, hurray he's got it.... it really makes sense when you look at politics today. I am not a politician anymore dearest Scaramouche, that is to say, at present, so feel free to slay somebody else, you sad scribe. tell us, whence your arguments fail, do you always try and get a personal dig in and do you do this very often in your carrer? nevermind        Report

15/05/2008, 10:56 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 10,626 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Gentlemen please, this is an important thread. I get the feeling that you are both set on disrupting it. If I did not know better I would suspect a conspiracy. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

15/05/2008, 10:59 AM Scaramouche Joined on 02/04/2006 obscure Posts 1,166 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Oh dear Nevermind - you really are a one-man justification for the manner in which we esteem the teutonic sense of humour. I think your Green credentials are impeccable, and always  have done. As for support for cannabis smoking? If they really  must do it, I'd prefer if they all surrendered their driving licences.    Report

15/05/2008, 11:02 AM Scaramouche Joined on 02/04/2006 obscure Posts 1,166 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. KG the Moderator. Now we've seen everything.    Report

15/05/2008, 11:41 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,559 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.  Scaramouche wrote: Oh dear Nevermind - you really are a one-man justification for the manner in which we esteem the teutonic sense of humour. I think your Green credentials are impeccable, and always  have done. As for support for cannabis smoking? If they really  must do it, I'd prefer if they all surrendered their driving licences. Why are you making a big thing of it,  Scaramouche, Keith is right, this thread is about something else and my position on all drugs is public record since 1999, thats not news, but that the quango crats will get away with it, because not enough emphasis/ limelight is given to the secretive way these mainly OBN chappies use the BA to fetter their own aspirations and interests, will disappear in the fog.  nevermind    Report

15/05/2008, 11:44 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,559 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.  Scaramouche wrote: Oh dear Nevermind - you really are a one-man justification for the manner in which we esteem the teutonic sense of humour. I think your Green credentials are impeccable, and always  have done. As for support for cannabis smoking? If they really  must do it, I'd prefer if they all surrendered their driving licences. Why are you making a big thing of it,  Scaramouche, Keith is right, this thread is about something else and my position on all drugs is public record since 1999, thats not news, but that the quango crats will get away with it, because not enough emphasis/ limelight is given to the secretive way these mainly OBN chappies use the BA to fetter their own aspirations and interests, will disappear in the fog.  nevermind    Report

15/05/2008, 3:21 PM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,130 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Just going back a little while,does anyone know how   Wibble and co.finished up with the Broads Authority.They had better watch out in case they are given permanent moorings at Horsey Mere.John    Report

15/05/2008, 3:29 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 10,626 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Yea, we don't want Wibble disappearing into the fog do we. What is the state of play? Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

15/05/2008, 3:41 PM Wibble Joined on 30/10/2003 Posts 499 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Hi John, All is well with me thanks.  I'm still moored up on the North side of Thorpe Island, with a ship's cat, Nelson also along for the ride! There has been a deafening silence fom the BA over our existence here.  Hopefully this is a good thing.  Any news, and I'll post it here for sure, ...it's so lovely down here in the sun incidentally, watching one of the ducks escorting her bustling brood around! It's a wibbly wobbly world    Report

15/05/2008, 3:42 PM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,976 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. What I have found with the people from these "agencies or bodies" is that they feel they are beyond questioning. The ones I have come into contact with are officals from the Council who can command their workforce without comeback and can also have an input into peoples careers, yet cannot understand that they do not have that authority when dealing with the general public. They get affronted and clam up even when they cannot deny the truth, so say nothing. One wonders why these people do it, as it is usually not their money they are spending but revenue from the public purse for the good of the public.    Report

15/05/2008, 5:29 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 10,626 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. It is the smarmy 'cant touch me' smile that gets my goat. I would just love to wipe out a few of them. Its always the short little weeds as well isn't it. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

16/05/2008, 6:08 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,130 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. I would call it "Self importance" Jill.The majority of these people are a nobody in real life but when they get together in a clan of course they attain power.Power over the "Little people".You do as we say,not what we do.Having worked on councils most of my working life and having been co-opted on to a council I have seen it all.There is a old saying,Where money is involved,theres a fiddle" Problem is,prove it.How many of these people would actually do the job if they did not receive any money,whether it be by way of expenses or presents.Hardly any of them. Good to hear the good news Wibble,just make sure your anchor is holding fast.John    Report

16/05/2008, 6:53 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 10,626 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. OK so who can remind us exactly what this RSPB Broads report is about and who is doing what to the Broads? We do not want the issue to slide away to the benefit of those who think they are the chosen ones do we. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

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