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 10/10/2007, 10:14 AM
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keith gerrard
 
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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I would not consider myself a gentleman in this day and age jenny, such people get nowhere in the corrupt country we now have.
Gentlemen I know have all retired or gone abroad.
Most of the OBN of East Anglia do not reside there but simply bleed the place from afar, they probably visit to watch the dicky birds.
Their main income is from slave labor provided by uncontrolled immigration.
There interest in the local population is practically zero as is the interest from the dicky bird lot.
The unelected outsiders DEFRA or otherwise are just a simple method of stopping fingers pointing at the local members of the OBN who are really responsible for the lack of sensible work and the clever way the money disappears.
They don't want the responsibility just the money.
Non of this matters a jot of course, because unless large funding can be found for flood defense, all the money and the tiny amount of worthless work done will be totally wasted.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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10/10/2007, 10:26 AM
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spindrift
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Name the OBN or stop using these imaginary people to avoid answering any points keef, it's tedious beyond words. Who in Norfolk relies for their income mainly on immigrants, name them or admit you made it up.
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10/10/2007, 10:27 AM
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keith gerrard
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Thanks for the post Jamie.
You obviously have an expert knowledge of the area and marine matters.
I would like to learn as much detail as I can on anything that relates to the inevitable future flooding.
There needs to be a major effort to plan for these floods and raise funds to deal with the problem and it needs to be started now.
Both the BA and the RSPB are simply wasting resources and deflecting the issue for their own ends.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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10/10/2007, 10:40 AM
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john
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I am not trying to be clever or funny Keith but in your opinion would be the best way to build up the sea defences?John
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10/10/2007, 11:58 AM
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keith gerrard
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I don't know John.
It will be a complex set up and demands the input of all the experts in the field.
What I do know is that we must start planning flood defenses now.
It will be the biggest operation ever seen in East Anglia and the only other alternative is for the area to lose a large part of its land mass.
We have an on going thread on here about a Wash barrier, it would only be half the job without similar work for the Broads.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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10/10/2007, 2:20 PM
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JennyMorgan
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Keith said:
'Both the BA and the RSPB are simply wasting resources and deflecting the issue for their own ends.'
I don't know about the RSPB, Keith, but I do know something about the BA. What would you describe as 'their own ends'? Just as a matter of interest you see.
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10/10/2007, 4:44 PM
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keith gerrard
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Any funds including grants that are sourced for the purpose of dredging navigable channels or other husbanding of the area, deflect attention away from the need for flood defenses.
Money spent in this way will be wasted when the inevitable floods occur.
Any future activity by the BA should have flooding as its primary motivator.
I support better navigation on the Broads and even sensible wildlife conservation but neither will mean anything when the work done and paid for is washed away.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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10/10/2007, 4:52 PM
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Glass
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 JennyMorgan wrote: | Keith said:
'Both the BA and the RSPB are simply wasting resources and deflecting the issue for their own ends.'
I don't know about the RSPB, Keith, but I do know something about the BA. What would you describe as 'their own ends'? Just as a matter of interest you see.
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Jenny,
As commented on by Newtyres, it is very unlikely you will ever get a straight or common sense answer from Keith.
Keith is this forum's resident troll, who is very happy to make all sorts of weird and wonderful accusations, but very rarely does he then provide any supporting evidence for his argument. Most topics end up being blamed on the "OBN" or "The American Dream" (whatever that is). Else, you are sent off with a "flea in your ear" and told to find out the (non existant) information for yourself.
I suggest you raise any queries with Jamie, who appears to have a real grasp of the problem, unlike some who have lost their grasp of the real world.
Best wishes.
Glass
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10/10/2007, 6:02 PM
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keith gerrard
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10/10/2007, 7:36 PM
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keith gerrard
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Glass of course has only one interest, his own.
As for newtyres , you must make up your own minds.
I hope narrow self interest is not the case with members of the BA jenny.
In Glass' case it results in a nil record for positive comment and suggestion up to date.
I will of course defer to experts when it comes to the technical side of flood defense.
That does not mean I am without some scientific knowledge on the subject however.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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10/10/2007, 9:23 PM
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Glass
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Very tiresome, Keith.
In summary, your input on this debate is to accuse the Broads Authority, RSPB etc of being members of the OBN, being involved in nefarious activities including slave labour and (the obvious yet obligatory statement from you) that flooding is on its way!
Perhaps we should wait to hear from the actual experts, rather than your "jack of all trades/Formula 1 greasemonkey" preaching. We can then make an informed decision.
Glass
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10/10/2007, 10:40 PM
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JennyMorgan
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For the record, Keith, I do know several people within the BA, people for whome I have the very, very highest regard. These are people, some who sit on various committees , some who work within the hallowed walls of Colgate, some who are often discribed as the 'troops', all of which would justifiably take great offence at your accusation that they are only in it for self interest.
That is not to say that I don't doubt the qualifications of some, it is not to say that I don't question the personal agenda of one or two, or that I agree with proposed Broads Bill or the Authority's stance on wakeboarding. There are many things about the Broads Authority, under the present Chief Executive, that worry me. In truth I would wish to see the Chief Executive take an alternative career path, but for all that I would never accuse him, or anyone else at the BA, of narrow self interest.
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11/10/2007, 7:20 AM
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john
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Delboy.I cancelled my membership when all of these proposals of the RSPB were just rumours.In the reply I got from the RSPB they more or less said that the Wallesea project is what they have got in mind for the Broads.I have asked them two straight questions.What are they going to propose doing about flood defences and b.Do they propose to close off the Upper Thurne to boating.I for one will be at the B.A. meeting in Norwich at the end of November[Weather permitting].What a pity they could not have had the meeting at a week-end so that more people living outside of Norfolk could attend.John
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11/10/2007, 8:12 AM
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Jamie Campbell
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Keith, Dredging navigable channels does help flood defences. Deeper channels hold more water and helps it get away faster. Flooding doesn't always come from the sea - rainfall also causes problems from the other end of the rivers. In 1912 the Bure washed away all its locks and Coltishall bridge; Norwich was also flooded - as a result of extremely heavy rain. Dredging the rivers is just the same as dydling dykes - only larger. If you don't look after your dykes, your fields get flooded.
Floodplains are also significant. Halvergate Island in my view should have been left to flood - you'd be amazed how much water could spread over that area. Breydon too should be a major safety valve for the Norwich River - but it would be more effective if the flood defences were moved back and a bit more dredging carried out to allow it to hold more water. I'd like to see the Dickey Works groynes removed and the Waveney once more permitted to wash around the North Bay with fresh water twice a day. Of course its an SSSI and the RSPB wouldn't like it at all!
Despite recent publicity there is a huge backlog of dredging to get the rivers back to an acceptable standard. Oulton Broad (Jennifer Morgan country) is probably in most trouble - and there the problem has been largely Suffolk Wildlife.I enjoy the flora and fauna as much as the next man - but much of this is about people and jobs.
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