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 19/04/2008, 2:53 PM
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keith gerrard
 
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It fascinates me john, at every turn and wriggle of this debate, yet another name crops up that hardly anybody knows anything about. Most are unelected and in positions of some power.
Why is this?
I thought we were living in a democracy.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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19/04/2008, 3:55 PM
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swampie
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20/04/2008, 7:12 AM
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john
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What really scares me is the fact that these organisations are telling us their plans for the next 40 years,and yet we know from this governments promises you would not trust them for 1year let alone 40.Urgent,essential matters should get a all party agreement and stick to it and not play party politics with with peoples lives.I truly believe that Norman Lamb is a genuine man and will fight the corner for the coast and the Broads but you ony have to go a few miles down the road and some think that a playboys casino is more important.John
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20/04/2008, 11:47 AM
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john
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Just out of curiosity I have just had a quick look at Sir Michael Doughty's profile.A member of the Labour Party and ex.Leader of Derby Council.Retired Chairman of English Nature and retired Chairman of the Peak District National Park Authority.Has a B.S.in chemical engineering,Master of Science in Public Health Engineering,Fellow of the Royal Society of Arts and a member of Water & Environment Management.He was appointed by Margaret Beckett in 2006 for a three year term at £66,000 a year for a three day week.the briefing for the appointment is too big to put on here but it does state that the position should not be influenced by politics.One Derbyshire M.P.[ Minister for the Environment].appoints a local Derbyshire colleague!!!! John
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21/04/2008, 2:27 PM
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nevermind
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 john wrote: | | What really scares me is the fact that these organisations are telling us their plans for the next 40 years,and yet we know from this governments promises you would not trust them for 1year let alone 40.Urgent,essential matters should get a all party agreement and stick to it and not play party politics with with peoples lives.I truly believe that Norman Lamb is a genuine man and will fight the corner for the coast and the Broads but you ony have to go a few miles down the road and some think that a playboys casino is more important.John |
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His genuine principles have never been questioned, it is the political rigmarole, the grinding of our bones and the need to campaign for it, for years and years, stress and obstructive departments, time that is not on our side anymore, increasingly, time that could be spent organising for ourselves.
Whether it is the unelected BA quango, or the lack of due care, adherent in this Governments concern shown for the physical realm, the lack of interest that is on display, no care shown in the future and aspirations of those asigned to loose their property, it all adds up. The simple option would be to recoup some of the money, we should have had invested in the past for sea defenses, from our income tax.
By using this ' land defense budget', we are switching our priority away from Afghanistan, Iraq and soon Iran to the defense of the realm over here.
Such a drastic action, alternatives exist, off course, would have the effect that Government would focus on the need for prevention and consider the urgency in real terms.
We have to stop relying on politicians to spend our money wisely, land protection and sea defenses, in my humble view on self sufficiency and abilities to feed ourselves, is of national importance, just as the supply of energy, always used to startle opposition.
I agree that the Broads planning brief could easily be tagged on to the relevant councils bordering the Broads, leaving the Broad Authority with promoting tourismn and events, ample, but some of the wildlife Trusts and NGO's should also be made aware that protection of the land we need to feed ourselves, is as vital as their interest in rerducing numbers of willow warblers, more saltmarshes might not be the best argument to carry forward, but the balance of needs be prioritised and humans included in their calculus.
The message send out to those people is, 'your're stuck, we will let you all go'.
I read what is said about appointments and have to agree, it is a merrygoround of a kind, some are experts at it, an irritation to most who want to see locally accountable and electable bodies that serve the nationally appreciated Broads users with due care, measured response, open to public scrutiny and approach. nevermind
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27/04/2008, 8:52 AM
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john
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It has been reported on one web site that the web site of Engish Nature has been attacked by hackers and is out of action.What a shame but not guilty.John
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27/04/2008, 5:55 PM
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nevermind
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Would that be the natural England that does not cater for the inhabitants of these isles, well, apart from those few well heeled who want to use its trust funds and charity write offs, not the great unwashed?
The natural England which is anything but natural? most of it is managed to bits and manmade.
What a shame indeed about their website, vandals, lets hope it was not a natural rat that has gnawed itself through their files, I suppose it can happen to the best of us. nevermind
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28/04/2008, 6:30 AM
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john
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Sorry Nevermind it was Natural England..It was said that a report was printed in the E.D.P. but I must have missed it.John.
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29/04/2008, 6:15 AM
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john
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Can any of you experts predict how the proposed Wash Barrier will affect the Norfolk coast.I see the dickie bird fraternity are up in arms again but I would ask the question,which is more important,lives,property and farmland or birds and seals?.John
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29/04/2008, 10:11 AM
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keith gerrard
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This thread is about the R.S.P.B report.
My opinion is that this report is now irrelevant other than as an information source to plan flood defenses.
The power of decision should be given to those democratically representing the people in the flood risk areas.
Allowing a dicky bird charity to retain ANY of the responsibility is a scandal and is risking lives.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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30/04/2008, 8:48 AM
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nevermind
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| john wrote: | | Can any of you experts predict how the proposed Wash Barrier will affect the Norfolk coast.I see the dickie bird fraternity are up in arms again but I would ask the question,which is more important,lives,property and farmland or birds and seals?.John |
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On the chance of being hit on the back of the head with a fencepost by Keith, this Washbarrier, so opposed by wildlife groups, seems to be a brain bypass barrier, as they cannot see the hand that feeds them and they relish nothing more than a good fight using little fluffy birdies, humnas don't matter at all so it seems.
These wildlife groups will be responsible if a storm surge ever inundates the current inadequate sea defenses, so lets just sit and wait. I expect the barrier to be build and given the go ahead approx. two weeks after the Fenlands have been flooded and laid useless for the next five years.
The economic impact of not being able to grow food, higher food prices, insurance costs that will reach approx. 10 billion, the whole impact over five years of 'reconstuction' can reach some 30 to 40 billion pounds lost to the british economy.
The wash barrier is not designed as a concrete barrier, but a sand barrier witha concrete sluicegates and lockystem. Electricity, some 1 gigawatt making the two nuclear stations muted redundant, is generated on the incoming tide rather than the outgoing and there is a marina proposed at the Hunstanton end of the barrier.
The dam is proposed to become public property once the costs have been returned, benefitting the local surroundings, maybe that fact and the fact that their 'need' for nuclear fissile material would go unanswered is the real reason for not contemplating it.
There is no road planned on top of this large sand construction using massive textile bags, the impact of a possibly massive construction would be detrimental to the environment and unreasonably extend the impact on the area. A change from what is proposed would increase the impact and put the dreaded Highway Agency in charghe of a dam, not a good idea, they can't cope with the workload they have as it is. Hope this helps, so sorry for digressing Keith. nevermind
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30/04/2008, 9:24 AM
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john
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I n principal I thought it looked a good thing Nevermind.At least it will be self financed unlike some event taking place in 2012.I just wondered whether or not the wash barrier would in fact shield some of the North Norfolk coastline.If this does go ahead together with the Suffolk sea defence proposal I would say on the face of it all looks good for the Norfolk sea defences and the Broads.John
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01/05/2008, 10:51 AM
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john
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Tuesday 7th May,9.30am. House of Commons the great Broads and coastal debate.It will be very intersting to see how many local M.Ps take part in the debate and which side they take.I just hope that common sense will prevail and the Minister is told in no uncertain terms what is thought of secret pl;ans discussed at secret meetings and to for once be open with the public.John
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06/05/2008, 5:59 AM
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john
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I wonder jow many people watched the Time Team Special last night re global warming and how this affects areas like Norfolk and the Broads.I am by no means any expert on the subject but what I gathered from the programme was that we are being conned.Who was to blame all those years ago when the North Sea was formed. The motorists.houses with no loft insulation,power stations? One boffin believes that the earth changes in its orbit,what do you think!!! John
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