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10/04/2008, 9:51 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. All I can say is a very big thank you to all concerned in the fight to save Norfolk.One thing does worry me a little and that is there are so many individual petitions going round I would have though it better if there was one co-ordinator i.e.Norman Lamb who could then present the petitions en bloc.John    Report

10/04/2008, 12:54 PM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,791 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Well I have to say something I never thought I would I feel sorry for an MP Poor Norman Lambs work load must be horrendous Apart from our troubles, there is Bacton Gas Terminal and its several issues, the Broads and Coastal Erosion as well as his normal duties and of course Westminster. He has been very helpful and supportive of our struggle and I do not have a bad word to say about him.    Report

11/04/2008, 8:33 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Well said Jill.Although not a constituent of Norman Lambs he has taken the time and trouble to reply to all of my queries.John    Report

15/04/2008, 9:27 PM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. The B.A.at it again.They want to declare Stokesby a conservation area.I always thought that Stokesby was a little bit bigger than the river outside the "FERRY" I suppose they have consulted the locals as usual and discussed their plans.John    Report

16/04/2008, 11:15 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,870 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. The members of the BA were never voted in, so they obviously believe they have no need to consult anyone. The locals are just an annoyance for them thats all. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

16/04/2008, 5:25 PM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Hope you watched the Vulcan this afternoon Keith,I could have thought of a good bombing target for it.John    Report

17/04/2008, 7:40 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Re E.D.P.News today South Norfolk Council V Broads Authority The Broads Authority it woud appear are most upset at not being consulted by South Norfolk Council on their proposals for boundary changes.Kerry Turner[Chairman of the B.A] says it is misguided and ill informed and points out in his letter to the council that the B.A. has not sought to become a National Park.He carries on and says that the Broads is a unique area of national and international importance which needs specialists expertise and a blend of integral management to look after it.The councils response was that at the moment the Broads is covered by eight authorities including Norfolk and Suffolk.Abolishing this tier would reduce the duplication of work and efficiencies stemming from economies.     I personally know nothing about South Norfolk Council but I would say to Kerry Turner,it is a bit rich complaining about not being consulted over a councils business when only two weeks ago they were involved in secret meetings with DEFRA and if Kerry Turner is to be beleived why do they keep advertising the fact that the Broads is a National Park? John    Report

17/04/2008, 10:47 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,870 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. http://www.keithsimpson.com/broads/ This should interest everyone. The conservatives seem to believe the Broads are a National Park. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

17/04/2008, 1:13 PM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Sorry about the Vulcan,Keith,he retuurned home with the "bomb" doors open.Mission aborted.I wonder how many letters and phone calls it is going to take before the B.A. are going to stop naming the Broads as a National Park.John    Report

17/04/2008, 3:42 PM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,051 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. I would agree with John Fuller of  South Norfolk District, the Broads Authority is an unnecessary tier of government and has too wide a remit. Its powers should be confined to navigation and conservation with some elements of tourism and most certainly not planning. Why? Because the area covered by the Broads Authority is not a "lump" of an area for want of a better phrase like the Lake District. The Broads themselves and the river valleys are integral parts of different districts and villages and to treat them in isolation from the areas of habitation around them is plain daft. This is probably why they have never been declared a National Park and nor should they. To the holiday maker on a boat they may seem separate from the surrounding countryside but they are not and never have been.    Report

18/04/2008, 7:03 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. I would agree with you to a point Gardener re holiday makers.Either you like boating or hate it.Every week there are bus trips from Leicester to Norfolk,usually a tour round North Norfolk in the morning followed by a trip on the river.That maybe the only time they go on the river but visit the seaside quite often.To the tourist who has got no transport a visit to the Broads is a special occasion,also the day tripper who would find it difficult to fit in a trip on the river considering the travelling time to NorfolkWe often come down for the day but again you have to weigh up the cost of petrol,food etc.What about some enterprising business man starting up a circular bus trip round the Broads[Mini-bus that is].Could be a two hour trip,1/2 day trip etc.Oh sorry the R.S.P.B. would not allow it.John    Report

18/04/2008, 9:10 AM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,051 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. My point was John, that if someone comes on holiday on a cruiser for a week or two unless they take a bike or use the buses ( such as they are) it is possible to cruise along the rivers and broads without ever really seeing the communities that are just a short distance from the waterways. Someone might see Potter around Lathams but not Potter village around the church for instance, or Hickling by the waterside pub but not Hickling or Sutton villages. So it is not easy for the holiday Broads user to get an idea of how the rivers and Broads fit into our communities. Unless I am hugely mistaken quite a lot of the villages that the broads and rivers actually "belong"to , in the sense that historically some villagers made a living from them are actually just outside the line of the Broads Authority which hugs the river valleys and broads margins tightly except for the marsh areas. So  for example, Martham which over looks the Thurne and Martham Broad is outside the BA area but what the BA does can affect the people of Martham. Another example is Stokesby which the BA is now attempting to have declared a conservation area. Because it hugs the river bank in places it comes under the BA , yet Stokesby has councillors which sit on NCC and either GYBC or Broadland councils which would normally determine planning matters, but some one at the BA must have decided that they want to keep Stokesby "chocolate box" to it looks nice for tourists so the village, which is by no means over developed and is nicely looked after now faces another level of planning controls. There is a bus actually, or was, going round the Broads in the summer time, I think it had a trailer so people could stick bikes on it. Details were in that newspaper that the BA publishes and is free at tourist offices.    Report

18/04/2008, 9:33 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. I agree with all that you are saying,Gardener.What is difficult on a boat is first of all the moorings and then the availability of fresh water and food.After you have been a couple of times you realise there is a lot more to the Broads than the rivers.It is not quite so bad now that there are several supermarkets along the way.For instance a lot of people do not visit Horsey or Hickling because you cannot get under Potter Heigham Bridge,but for a small charge you can hire a little electric day boat at the side of the bridge and then go up to Horsey and then it is just a short walk to the sea.All comes with experience Gardener.I must admit I did not see that article re the buses.They even sent me 3 copies of the Broadcaster this year.[Bit of soft soap]Of course we as tourists do not fully understand the workings of the councils and the B.A.re planning.Too many organisations to my way of thinking.Like the B.A. who are now planning the dredging for the next 4oyrs.and yet 2 weeks ago they were in secret metings re flooding the Broads.John    Report

18/04/2008, 12:25 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,870 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. The BA's ideals for preserving the chocolate box image is the very thing that the government is happy to use to save them investing in saving the very areas in question. Support is guaranteed from those to lazy to check the facts. With the potential of a five feet sea level rise the concept is totally redundant as the corner stone of the BA's existence. Of course it is important to try to maintain a large part of the beautiful landscape and wildlife, unfortunately it can no longer be the number one priority for Broadland. The first thing has to be protecting the land from flooding, the second, making sure there is an economy to support on going finance for the first and to give the local people a decent living. Giving part of England away  to the North Sea is not acceptable. Not even to benefit those living in the South. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

19/04/2008, 12:30 PM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,021 Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report. Could someone enlighten me please who Sir Martin Doughty is of Natural England.The E.D.P.reports him of stating that the research in the Norfolk Broads is the beginning of a journey,as we learn how to help wild life adapt to climate change.Now we have it the R.S.P.B.want the Broads for the dickie birds and Natural England want the Broads for wildlife.I have got news for those two,PEOPLE come before dickie birds and wild life.John    Report

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