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19/05/2006, 8:28 PM Darren Joined on 16/01/2004 Posts 1,539 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. > Interesting.  So the average Sunday meal has travelled once around the world.  Why would anybody want to ship anything further than half way round the world? Because all the ingredients come from different countries.  I mean that if you add up the distance that the carrots, potatoes, meat etc. have travelled this adds up to the distance round the whole world. > Where do the Co-Op (who presumably aren't guilty of this) get their New Zealand Lamb from? I have not seen New Zealand lamb on sale in the Co-op.  They do have a policy of buying local produce and you should be able to find locally produced fruit, vegetables and meat most of the time.  They are also trying to reduce pesticide use.    Report

20/05/2006, 1:37 AM rupert Joined on 22/08/2003 Posts 1,964 Re: Tescos and Sheringham.  Delboy wrote: Rupert wrote "Where do the Co-Op (who presumably aren't guilty of this) get their New Zealand Lamb from?" Could it be Tesco's Ooooh!  Be careful Delboy!  You'll have the forum's resident Co-Op promoter jumping all over you if you start giving away their sourcing secrets. Rupert    Report

20/05/2006, 2:05 PM Matty Joined on 29/01/2004 Vancouver Island, Canada Posts 1,722 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. Stand your ground Darren, Bananas will be next. Looks like some tongue in cheek disturbing is coming on. Comparing apples with oranges does not change the situation.  Sheringham people voted to exclude Tesco.  They appear to be over-ruled by a quasi official and the facts are not clear. One wonders if this is a case of " if at first you don''t succeed in your quest - change the rules and change the outcome. Negate the vote !. I personally stand with the folks in Sheringham, and when and if the Tesco comes into operation and desimates my home town, those folks will go to Tesco  of course, because so many will have no alternative - their local shops will be gone !   Clouding the issue will not change these observations which are evident in other towns when the same operations are brought into play. Matty    Report

20/05/2006, 4:20 PM C C Joined on 21/08/2003 Posts 1,321 Re: Tescos and Sheringham.  Darren wrote: I have not seen New Zealand lamb on sale in the Co-op.  They do have a policy of buying local produce and you should be able to find locally produced fruit, vegetables and meat most of the time.  They are also trying to reduce pesticide use.   Yes I was in our local Co-op today. I can confirm that they did not have any New Zealand lamb for sale. In fact they didn't have any lamb at all. Still I got a quid off a piece of British steak because it was nearly past it's sell-by date.          Report

20/05/2006, 6:33 PM PLASTICMASTER Joined on 31/03/2006 Posts 285 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. Personally I share the same opinion as County Councillor Chris Hull (EN Soapbox 19/5/05) about the eco-political strength of Tesco to crush local democracy and the planning system through attrition and hugely financed legal clout. Its like the borg collective from Star Trek. We are doomed to become assimillated. Tesco's might be seen as a benevalent force rather than a malevant force. If Tesco's philosophy was to build high quality stores using local materials in keeping with historic buildings. In Aylsham the proposal is a large recycled garden shed proposal rather than using local knapped flint walling finish construction. If Tesco's philosophy was for carbon neutrality and promoting renewable energy, it would put solar panels, tubes and mini windmills in its Sheringham and Aylsham proposals If Tesco's philosophy was to return waste and increase recycling, it would not use the amount and range of plastics in its packaging. Secondly it would sell reusable jute or hessian bags, rather than its nasty plastic bags that get disposed of in landfill and litter the countryside. If it didn't locate in local communities as mini marts, damaging and pushing out local independent family traders, and reducing the diversity and familiarity of local shopping characters. If it didn't speculate and buy up stragetical development land, denying this land to other competitors and local uses. If it sourced organic produce (where possible) and locally sourced produce where farmers got a fair deal, open to artitration, instead of been screwed down for price and quality in serf like contracts. Local farmers should get a better and fairtrade deal. Tescos should cut down on food miles and the wear and congestion it creates on the national road network. At the moment Tescos is seen as a predatory, attritional,malevalent, growth and profit hungry corporation, that sucks communities and puts token little back.      Report

20/05/2006, 6:40 PM Delboy Joined on 15/08/2003 Posts 5,089 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. Rupert, I do actually use the two local co-ops. The EXPERT knows more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing .    Report

20/05/2006, 7:51 PM rupert Joined on 22/08/2003 Posts 1,964 Re: Tescos and Sheringham.  C C wrote:  Darren wrote: I have not seen New Zealand lamb on sale in the Co-op.  They do have a policy of buying local produce and you should be able to find locally produced fruit, vegetables and meat most of the time.  They are also trying to reduce pesticide use.   Yes I was in our local Co-op today. I can confirm that they did not have any New Zealand lamb for sale. In fact they didn't have any lamb at all. Still I got a quid off a piece of British steak because it was nearly past it's sell-by date.   They must've sold out, CC.   According to the Co-Op , their products include: PRODUCTS INCLUDE Co-op milk/dairy products Co-op free range eggs Co-op organic milk Co-op fresh chicken Co-op Turkeys Co-op New Zealand Lamb Co-op frozen chicken Co-op fresh Pork Co-op Eggs Co-op Beef and All fresh and frozen chickens, chicken portions, processed chicken (eg chicken kiev), turkey, duck, free range eggs, fresh pork and New Zealand lamb are fed on non-GM diets. Their beef doesn't pass the GM test though - (see the Co-Op page on the Greenpeace website http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/Products/GM/goshopping.cfm?BrandParam=767&ManuParam=46&ProductTypeParam=10 ) That's quite a useful website if you want to find out which products contain frankenstein food, btw.    Rupert    Report

21/05/2006, 3:51 AM rupert Joined on 22/08/2003 Posts 1,964 Re: Tescos and Sheringham.  C C wrote:  Darren wrote: I have not seen New Zealand lamb on sale in the Co-op.  They do have a policy of buying local produce and you should be able to find locally produced fruit, vegetables and meat most of the time.  They are also trying to reduce pesticide use.   Yes I was in our local Co-op today. I can confirm that they did not have any New Zealand lamb for sale. In fact they didn't have any lamb at all. Still I got a quid off a piece of British steak because it was nearly past it's sell-by date.   They must've sold out, CC.   According to the Co-Op , their products include: PRODUCTS INCLUDE Co-op milk/dairy products Co-op free range eggs Co-op organic milk Co-op fresh chicken Co-op Turkeys Co-op New Zealand Lamb Co-op frozen chicken Co-op fresh Pork Co-op Eggs Co-op Beef and All fresh and frozen chickens, chicken portions, processed chicken (eg chicken kiev), turkey, duck, free range eggs, fresh pork and New Zealand lamb are fed on non-GM diets. Their beef doesn't pass the GM test though - (see the Co-Op page on the Greenpeace website http://www.greenpeace.org.uk/Products/GM/goshopping.cfm?BrandParam=767&ManuParam=46&ProductTypeParam=10 ) That's quite a useful website if you want to find out which products contain frankenstein food, btw.    Rupert    Report

21/05/2006, 11:51 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,323 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. Simple answer to the packaging problems from supermarkets. Get people to donate to a collection service that reduces their use of the stupid council run one and return all the plastic and other rubbish to the stores. If its got their name or their suppliers name on it then it is theirs. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

21/05/2006, 1:02 PM localyokel Joined on 29/12/2005 Posts 595 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. And how are you going to get people to use that one, where they take rubbish back to the store, if they're not even using the service thats collecetd from the gate? Very little packaging has the shops name on it.    Report

21/05/2006, 7:49 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,323 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. Well local yocal, I thought you might have difficulty with this one. A re cycle company would simply contact people and offer a collection service for sorted by supermarket packaging. They would pay initially for collection and delivery of the packaging to the relevant supermarkets. Eventually the supermarkets would be forced to do what they should already be doing and pay the service to re cycle and get rid of their rubbish correctly. The original investors would become shareholders in an environmentally friendly cost effective way to sort out the rubbish problems, paid for by those responsible for it. Such a scheme should of course be started by local government but they are all to much in the pockets of the big rubbish originators the supermarkets arnt they. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

22/05/2006, 1:29 PM localyokel Joined on 29/12/2005 Posts 595 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. But Keith, why would a recycling company be interested in doing this when most councils organise it already? Whats in it for the recyclers and why should I get less for my council tax if the council give up this service? Why should it just be the Tesco's of this world? Small shops have just as much responsibility as larger ones. As much as the shops have an environmental responsibility, so do the packeging manufacturers.  They should also be addressing the issue of bio degradable packaging. And you say the scheme would need to be started by local govt, they already provide a service!  Kings Lynn & West Norfolk BC collect my recyclable goods from my gate.     Report

22/05/2006, 4:39 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,323 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. They collect it from your gate but they don't return it to the originators to make them find ways to pay for its re cycling do they. Make those responsible for originating the pollution pay for dealing with it. If we don't do that then there is no way we can ever reverse the tide of human filth that will eventually destroy our environment. I keep coming back to the corruption though. First we must rid ourselves of the greedy ones who keep selling us all out. Who signed the Sheringham paper? Deal with them first. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

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