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   18/05/2008, 1:29 PM
Jill  is not online. Last active: 17/11/2008 17:28:11 Jill



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Re: Prolific offender ecsapes jail term

Isnt it amazing, however confused a person using cannabis is about other matters

They are totally convinced they know everything about everything to do with it and its use.

Drug culture or what!!!!!


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   18/05/2008, 1:43 PM
keith gerrard is not online. Last active: 27/11/2008 00:47:53 keith gerrard



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Re: Prolific offender ecsapes jail term

I cannot understand why all the arguments about the actual use of cannabis.

The thread is about somebody on drugs who has escaped a jail sentence because of our silly judicial system.

If somebody is in jail, then they should not have access to anything from outside, legal or otherwise.

If they do, it makes a complete joke out of our prison services.


Dream on

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   18/05/2008, 1:45 PM
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Re: Prolific offender ecsapes jail term
 keith gerrard wrote:

If the present prison service is unable to prevent the use of drugs in their establishments, then they cannot describe their operations as prisons but simply as mildly controlled free residential facilities.

To prevent the practice is simple if there is the will.

Of course properly diagnosed drug addicts should never be in a conventional prison anyway.

If convicted they should be on compulsory rehabilitation in secure environments run by government and staffed by conscripts.

Those who argue for legalizing cannabis (which I could well support), are always stating that it is not addictive, so there would be no problem in eliminating it from our prisons.

Just get rid of the badly run private security companies and bring prisons under military control.



Priceless Keith, just priceless! I love the fact that the "Compulsory Rehabilitation Environments" are to be run by conscripts! A locked environment where nobody wants to be there including the staff! People drafted into becoming drug counselors whether they want it or not! Forced into expressing unconditional positive regard towards their clients by a screaming drill sargeant! Simple but effective!

"Greatness sits on my shoulders as a dog urinates on the pavement.....with naturalness and ease and some offence to passersby."
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   18/05/2008, 2:00 PM
keith gerrard is not online. Last active: 27/11/2008 00:47:53 keith gerrard



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Re: Prolific offender ecsapes jail term

You actualy got it in one.

Well done.


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   18/05/2008, 8:12 PM
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Re: Prolific offender ecsapes jail term
 Osama Bin Laden wrote:
 keith gerrard wrote:

If the present prison service is unable to prevent the use of drugs in their establishments, then they cannot describe their operations as prisons but simply as mildly controlled free residential facilities.

To prevent the practice is simple if there is the will.

Of course properly diagnosed drug addicts should never be in a conventional prison anyway.

If convicted they should be on compulsory rehabilitation in secure environments run by government and staffed by conscripts.

Those who argue for legalizing cannabis (which I could well support), are always stating that it is not addictive, so there would be no problem in eliminating it from our prisons.

Just get rid of the badly run private security companies and bring prisons under military control.



Priceless Keith, just priceless! I love the fact that the "Compulsory Rehabilitation Environments" are to be run by conscripts! A locked environment where nobody wants to be there including the staff! People drafted into becoming drug counselors whether they want it or not! Forced into expressing unconditional positive regard towards their clients by a screaming drill sargeant! Simple but effective!
I reckon that would make the basis of the sequence to 1984, Keith, the hero of this cinematic masterpiece, alone with his guns, helicopter and hundreds of screens on top of his tower, below prison officers in metal jacket armour surrounded by a scene from Hades, what a prospect indeed.
 
Can we not paint this a little darker, so the facts become forever more obscured by blood and guts and addiction all round, god this could almost come from the belzebub's scribe in person, Mr. Littlejohn.
 
I would like to see control and harm reduction, not punishment and life's been torn apart. There are umtieth examples on how to maintain and slowly reduce whilst integrating someone into society.
Then there are numerous examples were a maintenance dose has kept people in jobs, families intact and health equally not much affected by a heroin addiction.
Dr. Marks up in Cheshire and Liverpool I believe ran a pilot in the seventies which had better results than what is currently being offered, a direct exchange from a nasty heroin addiction to an even nastier methadone addiction, what a marvellous choice, cold turkey, is the easier option, too much is made of it, but, it requires that a person wants to give up, seriously.
 
I take my hat off for anybody who tries to get people off heroin when they come out of prison, especially if they have not been on it when they came in and there are numerous examples of it, so all the power to your hands Osama and more of it.
 Just to change tack a little, what about all the traffic offenders who never land in jail, some who have killed and kill again with their car and are let off with a few years suspension to be let out and allowed back on to the road.
Why can we not introduce life bans for killer drivers? mind you we would have to let a few single mothers off their BBc license fee sentences, to make space for them. 
Instead of building prisons we should be spending money on creating jobs for bored school leavers and maybe one day we realise how right the pragmatic approach was in Holland and stop to criminalise young future taxpayers. nevermind

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