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01/04/2008, 10:40 AM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 77 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Just checked it out & it is a new one, It is concerning these new proposals and mentions the loss of the villages mentioned in the EDP, however if anyone else knows of any other petitions concenning this issue, please PM me.    Report

01/04/2008, 12:31 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,503 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads?  Katie wrote: I'm hoping that we can drum up enough support to prevent this catastrophic mistake. Quite apart from the issue of the destruction of The Broads, churches and other medieval buildings of historic significance, together with many acres of farm land, my family has a bungalow right on the dunes at Eccles so we stand to lose it all. We don't live there but the area is a big part of our life.The piece of land has been in my husband's family for over 60 years. He demolished the old wooden bungalow and designed and built a new one which has been enjoyed by family and friends for a long time. The family is Norwich born and bred and our daughter is at UEA. What really gets my goat is reading the article in yesterday's Telegraph which appears to present this option as a fact!    Thanks Katie and Swampie, your points are very valid indeed and this issue has been around for a while. Its becoming clear that various Government ministers visiting the East coast, saying this that and other, talking of supporting local communities, have been stretching time with untruth.   Residents in Walcott, over 1500 meeting on Southwold beach, there are many communities that are beginning to realise that this Government is prepared to let large tracks of land disappear. I agree with swampies outburst, we should be able to do it here in England. My idea is to start a non profit making sea defense lottery, all along the East coast were it matters most, work could start instantly and once one project is finished you go on to another. All eastern river valleys are under threat, the Fenlands need saving, there are many different issue over land in the East. Seeking Dutch expertise would probably be a very good idea. Another suggestion to mention is the development of energy generators, wave power, etc. all positive measures that could help with the maintenance of established flood defense, should be taken inot consideration from the start. The more communities get together the better. Good luck with the campaign swampie, I've actually met the real swampie and done a bit of 'digging with him in Newbury, but these days I prefer the direct, self help approach, moaning and groaning at the Government will only waste time that could be spent with organising finances and getting on with coastal protection. Keep us in touch on here with what you are planning, spread your campaign far and wide.   Eccles cakes must never sink! nevermind          Report

01/04/2008, 4:57 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 77 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Thanks Nevermind however,I think it is Katie, who is in fact campaining, I at the moment have just sighned a petition and am willing to sign as many as I can. The first thing I aim to do when I get back is to speak to some of the other villagers where I live and get my husband who is on the parish council to bring it up at the next meeting. We can what we can do from there.    Report

01/04/2008, 5:21 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 77 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads?  swampie wrote: Thanks Nevermind however,I think it is Katie, who is in fact campaining, I at the moment have just sighned a petition and am willing to sign as many as I can. The first thing I aim to do when I get back is to speak to some of the other villagers where I live and get my husband who is on the parish council to bring it up at the next meeting. We can what we can do from there. Sorry should have read, We can see what we can do from there.  Good Luck, with everything you do too,    Report

02/04/2008, 5:56 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,063 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I.t would a brilliant idea if someone local could start the petition.As I understand things,unless you have a postal address in the area concerned you cannot sponsor the petition.I am sure your Norman Lamb M.P. would present this for you.I have listed names of places with SSSIs on the R.S.P.B.Report thread and these in themselves give ground for the protest.John    Report

02/04/2008, 11:39 AM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 77 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? That is a good idea John, the first thing I need to do however is to see what the reaction is from some of the other villagers, I am away for a few days at the moment, Unfortunatly a lot of people are of the opinion the it will never happen in our life time, what worries me apart from the fact " never say never" is what will also happen to the property prices etc should this all become too much of a worry for some people.    Report

02/04/2008, 4:34 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,999 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? It is just as likely to happen next week as in your lifetime swampie. Nature has a habit of confounding human prediction. Unfortunately Norfolk is full of complacency and Apathy (it is a local trait), it needs to be fought. Those who wish to see Norfolk drown for the sake of flood defense for London and the South will play on this Apathy and use their lap dogs the RSPB and the BA to convince the weak and silly that there is little to fear. They have their ways out well planned if the floods come early, they wont drown. The Government are the last people to believe on this issue. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

02/04/2008, 5:26 PM trekker Joined on 09/11/2007 Norwich Posts 60 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? There is to be a public meeting at Potter heigham Village Hall next week at which I understand Norman Lamb MP will be present. As soon as I have more details I will post here. The EDP Administrators  may be able to glean more details perhaps and let us all know?     Report

03/04/2008, 8:46 AM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,835 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Norman Lamb has been very helpful to us all at Walcott His staff are very amenable too, good luck with your protest I find that all the people in the actual situation want one thing whilst those who live and work far away want different especially when it is in their interests, as in the Broads Authority and in our case the Environment Agency and North Norfolk District Council. It seems the latter always have the upper hand.  I still cannot come to terms with the actual cost it will need to find homes for those displaced as compared with the cost of flood defences. They do not seem to take this on board.    Report

03/04/2008, 9:00 AM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 77 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Thanks Trekker, We will be there,    Report

03/04/2008, 2:34 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 77 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I agree Jill, I do want the broads to be saved because of it's rarity and timeless qualities, that's why I moved here from Norwich, but I have also great concerns as to where it's leaves the people who own their homes and don't want to live in a council house somewhere ( that's if there are any) I would rather drown!!!  Jill wrote: Norman Lamb has been very helpful to us all at Walcott His staff are very amenable too, good luck with your protest I find that all the people in the actual situation want one thing whilst those who live and work far away want different especially when it is in their interests, as in the Broads Authority and in our case the Environment Agency and North Norfolk District Council. It seems the latter always have the upper hand.  I still cannot come to terms with the actual cost it will need to find homes for those displaced as compared with the cost of flood defences. They do not seem to take this on board.    Report

03/04/2008, 2:55 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,999 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Saving the Broads because they have a rarity and timeless quality is very poetic but will not be a strong enough argument on its own. To find the money for flood defense will need a balanced approach that includes economic development for at least part of the area. Inward investment at present is limited to the government dumping other peoples problems on us, like the prison and housing plans for Coltishal. All these government ideas will achieve is extra load on the fragile resources available in Norfolk already to small for the task. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

03/04/2008, 3:39 PM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,835 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Having actually been in  the situation, swampie, I dont think you would want to drown I live in my own property, all bought and paid for and insured. How long will they insure these properties, how many times will they pay out? If all you had were the clothes you stood up in, a Council House would look very welcoming especially at 4.00am in the morning. My point was, surely the money is better spent on flood defences rather than housing the displaced, should the worst come to the worst.    Report

03/04/2008, 6:24 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 77 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Jill I am sorry that you were once in that situation, and am glad that you you have managed to come back of it again the other side. I too have been in the situation where I have managed to build myself up again from nothing. I just feel that people concerned are putting money before peoples lives, and not thinking of the effect it could have on them. Funding for the sea defences would of course be cheaper than rehousing everyone but they won't care about that, they will still be sitting in there nice large detached houses, not worrying where we are. They will not be effected by the choices they make as long as they have a nice place to live. This goverment has proved that they do not care about the rest of us as long as they are living the type of lives that suits them. The new pay rise that they want instead of expences has proved that, but that is another matter. I  have pointed out just today that this will not only effect the house owners but also the people who rent their properties as well. Once work stops on those sea defences insurers won't want to insure peoples contents not just the buildings.    Report

03/04/2008, 7:56 PM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,835 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Yes, swampie I agree with every word you have written My fight against the Environment Agency, North Norfolk District Council and the Police, just to get them to address their mistakes which could have cost our lives has proved your words are very true. Their priorities are their own pockets, livlihoods and reputations All of which are tainted by their own greed.    Report

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