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21/12/2007, 12:19 PM Stuart Williams Joined on 18/08/2003 Posts 758 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers?  nevermind wrote: And here comes Hans with more inflamming of the issue, he's so obviously a plant by the BNP desinged to wind us all up, keep this sordid threat alive Many of these muslims brothers, born and bred British, are todays fighting for this country, a fact not heard mentioned by these scoundrels, ex criminals and bouncers. BNP bombers never come into it and the notoriety of the media in giving these scoundrels the air of publicity is staggering. I believe that on this list they are being allowed to say anything they like, they have accomplices here and its not right, there is one thing to allow a debate at a university and another in letting trash post anything they like, this is not public debate but using this list as a mouthpiece. There is a far greater threat of any of us dying from flooding, or hundreds of other reasons, than ever from a terrorist attack, the war on terror always was a construct to control resources geostrategically, it was initiated by the west, carried out by the west and now that some are fighting back, the BNP exploits it with their small minded perocial arguments and get support from moderation.   The truth is, the BNP is split and with that a crescendo of flailing and bad mouthing results in post as such. Many of their councillors have resigned the whip, whilst others are polishing their boots to go off and march with some neonazi's in Russia, or beat up some student, somewhere. Cut this thread out, it stinks and inflames. nevermind Whether you approve or not, the BNP are a legitimate political party. If you start banning them then where do you draw the line? I am not particularly enamoured with extreme leftwing parties and their often violent actions (look at the behaviour of those masked demonstrators at the recent Oxford Union debate) but I don't go round demanding their proscription. With live in a democracy, Nevermind. If you don’t like it then you can always emigrate – how about Iran or Saudi Arabia for starters.   Stuart Williams " Politicians are the same everywhere. They promise to build bridges even where there are no rivers. " - Nikita Khrushchev,    Report

21/12/2007, 1:36 PM BB Joined on 14/10/2006 Posts 1,004 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers?  Denise wrote: And out of the woodwork they come, courtesy of - well, I think we know who has an ongoing identity crisis on here. The BNP is, thankfully, ripping itself to pieces in one of the most vitriolic disputes in its history - and that's saying something. The matter of alleged illegal entry, theft and Data Protection Act offences perpetrated by the BNP leadership is now in the hands of the police, as are the matters of financial impropriety I posted on here some time ago. So I won't mention them, but using Parliamentary privilege, Jon Cruddas MP can and did. You can keep up with the BNP's sorry saga at my own website, Lancaster UAF, or with our very good friends at Searchlight.   Some of us (other than you) have had unpleasant life experiences at the hands of others, whatever the motive.  Not all of us feel the need to obsess over a political party whose outlook differs from our own though.  How much of this has taken over your life?    Report

21/12/2007, 1:53 PM Autismuk Joined on 23/03/2004 Archantville Posts 1,315 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers? I'm far more concerned about the likes of ZanuLabour than I am the BNP. The BNP is a minority protest group. Apart from its core vote, virtually all its votes are protest votes against Labour from people who won't vote Conservative, usually in areas where wonderful "enforced multiculturalism" policies have caused a battleground reminiscent of Northern Ireland (Dewsbury ?) Whenever the BNP has got any political power they've been a complete shambles - as in Barking & Dagenham. They are zero threat at all, and the fact that some mad bomber was in the BNP doesn't make the BNP responsible, no more than if they were a member of the Tufty club. The concern with the Muslim community is that a small minority are openly encouraging direct acts of violence and terrorism. Everyone (okay most people) are aware that most Muslims are as horrified by this as the rest of us, even those who actively "resent the west". There's a vast difference between protesting about Iraq and blowing someone up. They aren't helped by the rank stupidity of the lefties who force insane and obviously political prosecutions. For example, referring to "Stephen bl**dy Lawrence" is not very pleasant, but in any democracy it shouldn't be a crime. It's comically obvious that such is a political prosecution - that's what scares me, not people like Nick Griffin. Acts like the suppression of the Oxford meeting don't help either. (Lefties slam fascism but often behave like fascists themselves). Both give the BNP a "persecuted" sympathy. The best way of dealing with them is to allow them to show they are scum - or not, as the case may be. Then you get the laws which are quite obvious attempts to buy Muslim votes - for example "Religious Hate Speech" laws. It should be perfectly permissible to say in this forum "I hate black people" "I hate Muslims" or, indeed, "I hate white people". The incoherency of the thought will be revealed by the answer to the obvious question "Why ?". It's such an obviously stupid position to take. The utter insanity of this was demonstrated by the infamous cartoon protest. Initially - politically - the Police ignored it. They only took action because David Davis protested about the inaction. Then you get the stupidity the other way where some poor s*d gets 5 years in prison for carrying a placard on a march ; whatever the ZanuLabour thugs think, virtually nothing on a placard, nor protesting, should even be a crime, even if it is "Death to the West". And how does a crime move from non-existent to a long spell in prison *purely* on the whim of some Police Officer ? That's the problem with so much of this stuff. Things like "acts preparatory to terrorism" are so vague they can mean what people want them to. Reading a book ? Having a chemistry set ? It's a nonsense. Especially matched with "prosecutions" such as the Ricin plot and the H2O2 plot - both complete and utter fantasies on the part of the security services. The problem is that Lefties are frequently so dim that they think their approaches to arguments - the various isms, whinging about people being upset, no platform arguments, claims of moral superiority, and so on - actually qualify as some form of logical coherent argument. When it comes to straight arguments on facts, they tend to lose ; their approach is basically increasingly shrill demands to "shut up". (I can still recall at University Shirley Williams absolutely destroying (very politely) some smart alec lefty idiots. Hysterical) Brown's thugs have political power to do what they like, and they will. It will be interesting to see as the economy continues to disintegrate and they reap what they've sown, economically, what lengths they will descend to in a desperate attempt to cling on to power. People on this like are not "allowed to say anything they like". Celia et al will block anything that is problematic, and do so (IME) quite fairly. This does not mean that unpopular views - BNP ones, or Spindrift's, those that most posters disagree with - should be 'suppressed' because they 'upset' people. "Upset" in this context generally means "I don't like that view and am not smart enough to come up with an answer". I have absolutely no doubt that anything seriously racist or any attempt to suggest anything criminal will be stamped on by the mods, quite rightly. I haven't seen any real BNP views here anyway ; there are the usual concerns about multiculturalism but even ZanuLabour has cottoned on to the fact that their are legitimate concerns about unrestricted immigration. Anyone who seriously thinks that this forum is a BNP Mouthpiece doesn't live in the real world. Anyone who thinks the mods are some kind of BNP support group is a complete moron.    Report

21/12/2007, 3:23 PM Alan Hardesty Joined on 15/05/2005 Norwich Posts 1,651 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers?  Denise wrote:  Hans Datdoodishes wrote: "You will always have nutters in any society.........The UK sadly lets them fester and grow............ "   Unfortunately our indiginous nutters, (no offence to our Muslim brothers and any other creed whose roots are not entirely entrenched in this sceptred isle.) haven't yet taken to strapping large amounts of Cemtex to themselves and blowing up themselves and anyone who is near them just to make a point, but how long before they do? 5years? 10 years, next week? Afterall suicide bombing in its present form is a relatively recent activity born of the frustration these people have at not being heard. The longer our so-called government keep turning a blind eye to an increasing problem then I fear it is not too far away. I do feel that the BNP has a real point, but they suffer from the negative press from years ago. We seem quite at ease with having the hook handed guy, (alright I grant you he is now behind bars) preach hate and murder on London streets, but how long did he get away it? I dont think the BNP advocates violence, it just seems associated with it. As extremists go, people of Great Britain, ours are pussy cats compared to other societies on this planet who'll go to just about any lengths to make their point, good or bad, right or wrong. And out of the woodwork they come, courtesy of - well, I think we know who has an ongoing identity crisis on here. The BNP is, thankfully, ripping itself to pieces in one of the most vitriolic disputes in its history - and that's saying something. The matter of alleged illegal entry, theft and Data Protection Act offences perpetrated by the BNP leadership is now in the hands of the police, as are the matters of financial impropriety I posted on here some time ago. So I won't mention them, but using Parliamentary privilege, Jon Cruddas MP can and did. You can keep up with the BNP's sorry saga at my own website, Lancaster UAF, or with our very good friends at Searchlight. Ah, good old searchlight Denise.  Mouthpiece of the labour party. http://tinyurl.com/2s4o8r http://tinyurl.com/2sob6m I never stole your flag, I just rescued it from the gutter where you left it. For the truth go to http://www.bnp.org.uk/thumbs/Racism_Cuts_Both_Ways.pdf    Report

21/12/2007, 3:51 PM Rupert Joined on 19/11/2007 Posts 613 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers?  Alan Hardesty wrote: Ah, good old searchlight Denise.  Mouthpiece of the labour party. http://tinyurl.com/2s4o8r http://tinyurl.com/2sob6m Is this Investigative Journalism, Alan? Are you suggesting that the undistinguished-looking gentleman with the extremely high forehead and extremely drropy moustache is Densie? Prove it! Rupert    Report

21/12/2007, 5:58 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,743 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers? Stuart if you read again what I've wrote you realise that I never talked of a ban, you are the second person who is alluded, hearing words and/or making them up. This list belongs to them, so obvious, vitriole will not change that, nor will it change the facts that they are again investigated by the police for inpropriaty. You can love or hate whoever you like  Stuart but read first before you babble. nevermind    Report

21/12/2007, 7:48 PM Darcy Joined on 15/12/2007 Posts 402 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers?  Stuart Williams wrote:   Whether you approve or not, the BNP are a legitimate political party. If you start banning them then where do you draw the line? I am not particularly enamoured with extreme leftwing parties and their often violent actions (look at the behaviour of those masked demonstrators at the recent Oxford Union debate) but I don't go round demanding their proscription. With live in a democracy, Nevermind. If you don’t like it then you can always emigrate – how about Iran or Saudi Arabia for starters.   Anyone who has any sense would be opposed to a ban on the BNP, not because of all your petty cries of democracy and free speech. However you can't whine and moan when your nasty little views get the kind of reaction that you got in Barnsley recently. By the way what 'behaviour are you talking about in Oxford? Is wearing a balaclaver a crime? I didnt see any other crimes commited? Think carefully now, while my fingers tap at a large list of despicable crimes commited by BNP members past and present....cough. I do wish the BNP would admit to being the nasty bigoted little racists the majority of people know they are, who hide behind 'free speech' but would get rid of it at a the first opportunity. Wouldn't it be far more liberating to just come out? Collett isn't afraid to don the old jack boots, surely he isn't the only one of you! For the truth go to http://www.antifa.org.uk    Report

21/12/2007, 7:54 PM Darcy Joined on 15/12/2007 Posts 402 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers?  Denise wrote:   And out of the woodwork they come, courtesy of - well, I think we know who has an ongoing identity crisis on here. The BNP is, thankfully, ripping itself to pieces in one of the most vitriolic disputes in its history - and that's saying something. The matter of alleged illegal entry, theft and Data Protection Act offences perpetrated by the BNP leadership is now in the hands of the police, as are the matters of financial impropriety I posted on here some time ago. So I won't mention them, but using Parliamentary privilege, Jon Cruddas MP can and did. You can keep up with the BNP's sorry saga at my own website, Lancaster UAF, or with our very good friends at Searchlight. I never understood why anyone would believe a single word Searchlight comes out with, they're almost as halfwitted as the BNP! Most serious anti-fascists would run a mile. Now that Lancaster blog has a lot more potential.... For the truth go to http://www.antifa.org.uk    Report

21/12/2007, 10:16 PM kenneth Joined on 14/08/2003 Posts 1,102 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers? Everyone (okay most people) are aware that most Muslims are as horrified by this as the rest of us, even those who actively "resent the west". I'm not so sure that is true.    Report

22/12/2007, 10:22 AM Stuart Williams Joined on 18/08/2003 Posts 758 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers?  nevermind wrote: Stuart if you read again what I've wrote you realise that I never talked of a ban, you are the second person who is alluded, hearing words and/or making them up. This list belongs to them, so obvious, vitriole will not change that, nor will it change the facts that they are again investigated by the police for inpropriaty. You can love or hate whoever you like  Stuart but read first before you babble. nevermind You may not have used the word "banned" but there is clear inference from reading between the lines that you would like some form of proscription for this political party or what its members publicise and debate. "...there is one thing to allow a debate at a university and another in letting trash post anything they like" "Cut this thread out, it stinks and inflames" (your words not mine) I guess we must all be grateful the moderators ignore your ramblings, otherwise nothing would get posted. Whether you like them or not, the BNP is a legitimate political party. Stuart Williams " Politicians are the same everywhere. They promise to build bridges even where there are no rivers. " - Nikita Khrushchev,    Report

22/12/2007, 11:53 AM Uncle Jim Joined on 22/12/2007 Posts 21 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers?  Darcy wrote: I never understood why anyone would believe a single word Searchlight comes out with, they're almost as halfwitted as the BNP! Most serious anti-fascists would run a mile. Now that Lancaster blog has a lot more potential.... Searchlight is usually right, sometimes wrong, and sometimes contains disinfo for the Nazis to spread about. That's its function and it works. The Lancaster UAF blog, run by Ketlan and Denise does something different. It updates daily and does its own research, backed up by subscribers like me. It's the place where the Nazis go for info on their own party because they can't trust their own leadership to tell the truth. It's the most effective antifascist resource on the web. How effective it is can be seen by the number of times Ketlan, Denise, LUAF and Voice of Reason are talked about on Stormfront and attacked in the vilest ways by the BNP leaderhsip in their blogs. Denise has just been voted winner of a hate poll among the Nazis, getting more votes than Gerry Gable. But all antifascists should work together and mostly they do. Don't forget that the work you don't see by people like LUAF and Searchlight, and the work you do see, is a big part of why Nick Griffin and the BNP have been holed below the waterline.    Report

22/12/2007, 12:04 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,322 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers? Very clever Darcy, use the same dual tactics as the enemy.   Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

22/12/2007, 12:17 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,322 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers? People like Nick Griffin can never be holed below the water line by mis information. More and more people are feeling disenfranchised by PC correct multi culturalism and European corruption. Support for some form of National politics is growing. The BNP will carry on and all this paranoia will simply fuel more media exposure. All it actually needs, is for a sensible party to form that focuses these problems away from racism and other phobias and draws up a raft of workable policies. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

22/12/2007, 1:10 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,743 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers? So when I say that it is one thing to allow debate at a university, you read it to be a ban,  I stand by what I wrote and you can go on lovey doveying around to your hearts content, don't expect us to follow suit or ignore the facts. legit political parties conform to the law governing elections and financial probety Stuart, the split BNP can't do either, but thats something you conveniently overlook. nevermind    Report

22/12/2007, 9:51 PM Darcy Joined on 15/12/2007 Posts 402 Re: British National Party not nasty little Hitler worshippers?  keith gerrard wrote: Very clever Darcy, use the same dual tactics as the enemy. See this is an example of the standard of the average BNP'er...very little understanding of your opposition and awareness of your suroundings. Keep it up. For the truth go to http://www.antifa.org.uk    Report

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