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 08/10/2007, 7:57 PM
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Scaramouche
 
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Re: R.S.P.B.Broads report.
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Keith meet Jenny.
She's a bloke by the way.
Jenny, meet Keith.
A man of many words but only one opinion.
I predict an enduring relationship.
Keith has a 'thing' against Old Boys, Jennie.
But it's nothing personal.
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08/10/2007, 10:56 PM
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JennyMorgan
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Jenny is not me but a boat, and also a lady that supports a flag that flutters over the Broads thus keeping a watchful eye as she sails along. Always amuses me when folk fail to recognise the symbolism of a Jenny Morgan.
Old Boys Network, that adds up. Rumour has it that an unhealthy relationship between various civil servants and one or two aged Broadsmen exists, and one or two folk are known to react unquestioningly to the twitch of their puppet strings.
Having only one opinion is fine, so long as it agrees with mine!!!!
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09/10/2007, 11:15 AM
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john
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I have just received a message from the R.S.P.B. re my queries about Hickling Broad.They think I am being too critical and asked me to look at what they have done at their latest project.I have replied and said,apart from the R.S.P.Bs interest how does it answer my question "Why are you not concentrating on the sea defences and why does boating have to be prohibited from the area? I await in anticipation.John
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09/10/2007, 11:43 AM
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keith gerrard
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We do a brilliant version of 'Proud Mary' you ever need some music to support the cause Jenny.
I hope you can see the futility of putting any plans for Broadland in front of the major effort essential to raise huge finance to address the coming floods.
The present OBN dominated Authority MUST go.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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09/10/2007, 2:03 PM
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keith gerrard
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I have always supported opening the Broads up for more economic use John.
It could be an area of huge benefit for many people.
I have even suggested building house boats and floating housing for first time buyers.
Dredging and opening better access to the sea would also encourage a huge increase in foreign visiting boats bringing large amounts of investment into the area.
This has been prevented by the OBN and vested interest for hundreds of years.
These same people in the OBN (and the BA) seem to have not objection to importing foreign slave labor to make money, why should we allow them to prevent honest investment to build flood defenses and save the lives of the local people.
I can only see a future for the Broads if flood defense is made the priority John.
Without that any other action will soon sink under sea water.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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09/10/2007, 3:09 PM
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Alan Hardesty
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I have always supported opening the Broads up for more economic use John.
It could be an area of huge benefit for many people.
I have even suggested building house boats and floating housing for first time buyers.
Dredging and opening better access to the sea would also encourage a huge increase in foreign visiting boats bringing large amounts of investment into the area.
This has been prevented by the OBN and vested interest for hundreds of years.
These same people in the OBN (and the BA) seem to have not objection to importing foreign slave labor to make money, why should we allow them to prevent honest investment to build flood defenses and save the lives of the local people.
I can only see a future for the Broads if flood defense is made the priority John.
Without that any other action will soon sink under sea water.
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Careful KG! More immigrants boat hopping.
I never stole your flag, I just rescued it from the gutter where you left it.
For the truth go to www.bnp.org.uk
just a link, like Denise has.
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09/10/2007, 3:26 PM
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gardener
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That OBN would be the Romans then? As far as I know the sand banks at Somerton/ Horsey served as a path up the coast from Caister for the Roman soldiers and other Romano Brits, with later efforts serving to repair breaches. Then of course there is the OBN or the Old Boating Network who saw fit to divert rivers through Broads that were formerly only connected to the river system by boat dykes, thereby enhancing their profits and increasing disturbances and pollution,( there being something of a difference between Norfolk lighters, wherries and 8 berth cruisers filled with drunken Essex yobs).I am all for keeping motor cruisers off the Broads and leaving them for small powered vessels, yachtsmen or crewed sailing vessels. Let the hoi polloi stay in chalets in Wroxham. As for the sea breaking through, what does it matter, it will produce an environment similar to the much lauded Titchwell and Horsey would become like one of the N. Danish or Friesian islands. Freshwater areas would form further upstream as the water levels rose and no doubt some other OBN would give planning permission for digging new broads for building materials. As for the economics of tourism, if it isn't minimum wage/part time does the wealth actually stay in the county? Apart from having Tesco deliver to their boats what exactly would all these foreign visitors spend their money on? Daily mooring fees aren't exactly going to make us rich. Who ever finds the way to balance the greed of the big holiday companies with the needs of the environment and the local people has my admiration. As does the person who can decide whether it is justifiable to blast away the sides of Norwegian mountains to provide rock to protect the properties "move ins" have so recklessy built or bought so "close to the edge."
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09/10/2007, 3:39 PM
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keith gerrard
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09/10/2007, 3:53 PM
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john
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Keith.That is exactly what I asked the RSPB.Why are they concentrating on one particular area when the main concern is flooding and possible breaching of the sea walls and why do they want to prohibit boating on the broad.I got told I had got a sort sighted vision of the broads and should look at what they have created as a wetland in their latest project..I am afraid that answer don't wash.[pardon the pun] John
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09/10/2007, 4:49 PM
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keith gerrard
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I know it is a habit of the OBN to hide as much as possible but could you please type in a readable size gardener.
It is probably an expression of the size of opinion and interest that Norfolk people with vested interest in general have but you could try just a little harder.
Outsiders now rule gardener, it was your greedy friends that encouraged them here selling properties.
It is to late to argue now.
No last ditch attempt through slave labor is going to change it.
The threat of a an at least five foot increase in sea level will kill all the vested interest in Norfolk.
I look forward to that honest and brilliant day.
Then the local people will realize just how many billions the OBN has fiddled them out of.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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09/10/2007, 4:56 PM
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Scaramouche
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Enjoyable post Gardener - or at least I think it was.
Could we possibly entice you into a larger font?
In this age of man, my bedside book is in Lowestoft - and I don't actually live there.
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09/10/2007, 6:19 PM
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keith gerrard
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What can the RSPB possibly achieve for the future of the Broads by creating a bl----- wet land.
The sea is going to do that for nothing in the near future anyway.
No, the RSPB is simply an organization for getting money out of people and then making it disappear.
They are going to be a big part of the cause of future flooding in the area.
Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk
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10/10/2007, 7:59 AM
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Jamie Campbell
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Keith, Flooding is/will be important - but its not the direct responsibility of either the Broads Authority or the RSPB. BESL have a £200m+ budget - but it's the quality of their work seen down the Yare and Hadiscoe New Cut that leaves a great deal to be desired. Stonefilled gabions installed a couple of years ago already need replacing. They're also removing quayheading with a life of over 25 years and leaving the old stuff. When their contract is over, reponsibility passes to the landowner - and what a lot of poor workmanship they're leaving them. Graded banks also have a dramatic effect over the landscape, loses moorings and is potentially dangerous to navigation. When challenged, the buck passing between the Broads Authority and the Environment Agency is a joy to behold.
Gardener wrote: "Freshwater areas would form further upstream as the water levels rose."
Let me give you a scenario. Assume the sea breaks through first around Horsey - and obviously this won't be the first time its happened. Once upon a time, the River Ant flowed along the Hundred Dyke and into the Thurne, which flowed the other way - out into the sea through Sock Drain. I understand this was never a large river mouth but existed none the less. If nature reopens this river mouth, the Thurne might just start to flow the other way once more - and certainly on an ebb tide as the water took its shortest route to the sea. One implication would be a major problem around Thurne Mouth, which would be subjected to a low tide from the new sea access around Horsey and another, probably two and half hours later via Great Yarmouth. Thurne Mouth might easily become non-navigable. Answer: Easy, build a barrage across the Thurne at Potter Heigham to protect the rest of navigation. Gosh - no boats can get from the Broads into the upper Thurne. Another implication is that all the loot the Green Wellies have spent trying to re-introduce bitterns will have been wasted - but easy come, easy go.
If freshwater doesn't come down from the headwaters of the Thurne, the Ant will have some problems shortly afterwards. The line of coastal defence is drawn along the old railway line - now the Stalham - Potter Heigham Road. This inevitably means salt water a long way up - if not actually the headwaters of the Ant. There's nothing at all wrong with saltmarsh as habitat - it just means more money has been wasted - has anybody calculated a 'cost per bittern'? They've been chasing rainbows.
Meanwhile back at the ranch - the origin of this thread was the RSPB accusation that the Broads Authority had failed to deliver on conservation. I don't accept their logic, or even follow their argument but I really can't disagree with their conclusion. I can produce one success story. Themselves! Their establishment has been a huge success. The old Great Yarmouth Port & Haven Commissioners maintained the rivers better with solely river toll income. They managed with a staff of around a dozen. The Broads Authority employs over a hundred people to do admittedly a larger job - but ten times larger? Time I suggest, to prune this recently constructed empire back to essentials.
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