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17/05/2006, 3:19 PM POG Joined on 31/08/2003 Round and about Posts 976 Re: Tescos and Sheringham.  localyokel wrote: What exactly is everyones problem with Tesco??  .....   if I can save £20-£30 on a trolley full of goods then thats what I'm going to do. Try Stalham. Tesco moved in. Plenty of special offers + lots of cheap prices = influx of customers. There are few alternatives in and around Stalham now. Many local shops have closed. "So what?" you may say, "I am still saving money." Well, go into Tesco in Stalham now and see if you can find the special offers...   "Pathetic," he said, "that's what it is. Pathetic."    Report

17/05/2006, 4:40 PM Darren Joined on 16/01/2004 Posts 1,539 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. > It's all well and good people saying we should support our local stores, but in this day and age if I can save £20-£30 on a trolley full of goods then thats what I'm going to do. Do you not care though about the following: - farmers and local suppliers being crushed out of business; - people overseas (and apparently many immigrants in this country) being forced to work for pittance pay in poor conditions; - massive environmental damage caused by the distances food is transported, the average Sunday meal having travelled once round the globe! - Palm oil (used by smany upermarket products) plantations destroying the world's rainforests; - Food being pesticide ridden with organic food costing a fortune (and coming from the far side of the earth); - Local shops closing; - Local professions being replaced by minimum-wage staff ...the list goes on and on.  As to the £20 to £30 you'll save, well, think of the consequences.  I'd question whether you even save that money once you've added up petrol to get there, the vast quantity of purchases due to promotions strategies, and compared the prices that appear good to those charged in the local market or Co-op. One more thing, if you try some local organic fruit and veg you might notice one thing that you have been missing for years: FLAVOUR!    Report

17/05/2006, 5:58 PM Delboy Joined on 15/08/2003 Posts 5,089 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. One more thing, if you try some local organic fruit and veg you might notice one thing that you have been missing for years: FLAVOUR! Which is one reason for buying all my meat products from our local butcher. It might vost slightly more but I get the cut I want and the joint is cut fresh plus the beef is hung for a reasonable time not straight from the slaughter house. The EXPERT knows more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing .    Report

17/05/2006, 6:05 PM localyokel Joined on 29/12/2005 Posts 595 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. Perhaps you should try asking your "local organic fruit and veg" supplier exactly how organic their produce is??                        Just because it says organic on the label does in no way mean it is organic under the wrapper. I know that a very "Keith Gerrard" type of statement, but not all organic produce is organic. The immigrants in this country only fill the agricultural jobs that british people won't do because the farmers/growers purposefully keep the wages low because they know that if we don't take the jobs, then someone from Poland or Portugal will.  NONE of them are forced to work in this country.  As for workers in other countries, I really dont think that by Tescos closing all its stores tomorrow will this particular problem be sorted. I also work, unfortunately, for a low wage, my money has to go a long way, therefore, as I say, If i can save 20-30 on a trolley full of goods, I will. I live opposite a local store, and am amazed by the number of delivery vehicles that arrive throughout the day.  I would argue that the total mileage for goods delivered to that store is a lot lot nearer the total mileage for 1 artic load of goods delivered to one Tesco store. There are minimum wage staff at Tesco, just as there are at many workplaces nowadays. Tesco staff on minimum wage will on the whole, be part time staff or students.  I would like to know where I can work a part time job at professional wages.  If local shops truly wanted to fulfill all the needs of people living in villages/small towns, then the range of stock they would need to carry would be so vast as to be prohibitive.  Village shops are village shops, they cannot supply everything. I dont have a car, I walk or bike to the shops, so spend no money on petrol. If I dont need two jars of pickle for the price of one, I won't buy two jars of pickle.  Promotions strategies are only any good if it's something you actually need.      Report

17/05/2006, 10:15 PM Darren Joined on 16/01/2004 Posts 1,539 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. > Perhaps you should try asking your "local organic fruit and veg" supplier exactly how organic their produce is?? Well, it comes from Salle Organics (www.salleorganics.com) which is accredited to the Soil Association Organic Standard, licence number G1883.  The farm is in Norfolk and, although I haven't visited it myself, the website carries many photographs of the farm and its produce.  They even have a beautiful wildlife gallery of photographs taken on the farm, of birds, butterflies, bees etc. which can all live without pesticides on the crops.  I'd call it pretty organic! > I know that a very "Keith Gerrard" type of statement, but not all organic produce is organic. Please expand what you mean and what evidence you have. > NONE of them are forced to work in this country. Well, they could tell their gangmasters they want to go home but I think you will find they are not allowed to until they have "earned" the money that the gangmasters charge to bring them into this country and pay their "accommodation" (caravan) costs. > I also work, unfortunately, for a low wage, my money has to go a long way, therefore, as I say, If i can save 20-30 on a trolley full of goods, I will. I have sympathy for people on lower wages, but I ask you to compare the supermarket prices to those in local butchers, greengrocers, markets, Co-ops etc.  A large fruit and vegetable box last me two weeks and costs £15, so that's about a pound a day.  > If local shops truly wanted to fulfill all the needs of people living in villages/small towns, then the range of stock they would need to carry would be so vast as to be prohibitive. What "range of stock" do we really need?  I don't need 100 aisles (that have moved every time one goes in!), as thsi just encourages shoppers to spend more. > Promotions strategies are only any good if it's something you actually need. If you are savvy, maybe.  However, supermarkets are very very good at it.  Always good looking (but not tasting) fruit and veg when you want in.  Targeted price reductions of strategic items such as milk, with less comparible prices much higher.  Offers always at the end of aisles, always encouraging shoppers to buy more than they usually would.  "Reward cards" that penalise people by sending them vouchers only valid if they spend much more than they usually would. For more reading on supermarkets, read the excellent articles on www.theecologist.org/archive_detail.asp?content_id=508    Report

18/05/2006, 11:30 AM localyokel Joined on 29/12/2005 Posts 595 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. If an "Organic" farmer wants to grow a particular variety or strain of vegetable that will ripen/mature at a certain time (Because different varieties of cauliflower for instance mature at different times)  then obviously he will make calls to seed suppliers to see if they have organic stock.  If they don't, and a lot of them wont if they are popular varieties, then the farmer can buy treated seed and get whats known as a "letter of derogation" from the supplier.  This states that the farmer has tried to get organic seed, but cant as none is available.  The farmer is then legally allowed to label produce from that seed as organic because he has made an effort to try and get some.  This letter is recognised by DEFRA. I said a Keith Gerrard type of statment because it was sweeping and vague, like many of his. It is the immigrants choice to come to this country in the first place.  They are not kidnapped and dragged over here to work!!  I think you'll find there are very few who nowadys use gangmasters to get them into this country in the first place.  Here in Kings Lynn there is a massive number of Eastern europeans who work in town and on the land, and when you get to talk to them you'll find that they go back and forth to their home countries whenever they want. So in order to attempt to save myself £2 or £3 i must visit 5 or 6 different shops, just to help the local shop?  Sorry, I have other things to do with my time!  If someone is encouraged to spend more than tey need to in a supermarket, then it is only one persons fault, not the supermarket.  Everyone has a mind and can use it individually! If you get sent vouchers that only qualify for use if you spend more than you need to, then just dont use the vouchers! Its as simple as that!      Report

18/05/2006, 1:47 PM spaceman Joined on 23/01/2004 Posts 5 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. Many people have asked that question. Hopefully the involvement of the Local Government Ombudsman will now help get to the bottom of it. And it's no wonder Tesco are being investigated by the Competition Commission if this is an example of how they work. Let's hope NNDC finally see sense and kick them out for good. Keep up-to-date with the Sheringham saga here  - http://tescno.blogspot.com    Report

18/05/2006, 2:13 PM Baconsdozen Joined on 02/09/2003 Lowestoft Posts 1,090 Re: Tescos and Sheringham.  Here in Kings Lynn there is a massive number of Eastern europeans who work in town and on the land, and when you get to talk to them you'll find that they go back and forth to their home countries whenever they want. What ever happened to local jobs for local people then ?. Just a load of old tools    Report

18/05/2006, 7:50 PM Alan Hardesty Joined on 15/05/2005 Norwich Posts 1,581 Re: Tescos and Sheringham.  baconsdozen wrote:  Here in Kings Lynn there is a massive number of Eastern europeans who work in town and on the land, and when you get to talk to them you'll find that they go back and forth to their home countries whenever they want. What ever happened to local jobs for local people then ?. Thats nothing, the little Indian lad in my daughters class goes home for lunch! I never stole your flag, I just rescued it from the gutter where you left it. For the truth go to www.bnp.org.uk just a link, like Denise has.    Report

19/05/2006, 12:59 AM localyokel Joined on 29/12/2005 Posts 595 Re: Tescos and Sheringham.  baconsdozen wrote:  Here in Kings Lynn there is a massive number of Eastern europeans who work in town and on the land, and when you get to talk to them you'll find that they go back and forth to their home countries whenever they want. What ever happened to local jobs for local people then ?. I don't know, it's not because of me!! Farmers/Growers will only offer low wages for agricultural jobs because they know that if British workers dont fill the vacancies then foreign immigrant workers will.  They then have the gall to say that British people dont want to do that sort of work!  They price for what they can get.    Report

19/05/2006, 10:06 AM Delboy Joined on 15/08/2003 Posts 5,089 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. Going back to the original theme of this posting, Tescos and Sheringham not foriegn workers, why has nobody picked up and posted the fact that this "agrreement" has been referred to the Local Government Ombudsman. Looking at the postings which had nothing to do with the original heading, at least those who are working in the fields temporarily are in the main here legally from other EU countries, such as Portugal, just for the season. The EXPERT knows more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing .    Report

19/05/2006, 10:56 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,985 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. I wonder how many of them are illegal immigrants and how many are career criminals. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

19/05/2006, 1:22 PM C C Joined on 21/08/2003 Posts 1,259 Re: Tescos and Sheringham.  keith gerrard wrote: I wonder how many of them are illegal immigrants and how many are career criminals.   Need some cheap labour to help out on the old allotment Keith.             I'll get me coat.     Report

19/05/2006, 1:51 PM rupert Joined on 22/08/2003 Posts 1,964 Re: Tescos and Sheringham.  Darren wrote: > Do you not care though about the following: ... - massive environmental damage caused by the distances food is transported, the average Sunday meal having travelled once round the globe! ... I'd question whether you even save that money once you've added up petrol to get there, the vast quantity of purchases due to promotions strategies, and compared the prices that appear good to those charged in the local market or Co-op. Interesting.  So the average Sunday meal has travelled once around the world.  Why would anybody want to ship anything further than half way round the world? - Surely if you were going to ship something further than half way around the world it would be easier (and shorter) to send it in the other direction? - The world is still round, AFAIK. Where do the Co-Op (who presumably aren't guilty of this) get their New Zealand Lamb from? Rupert    Report

19/05/2006, 6:03 PM Delboy Joined on 15/08/2003 Posts 5,089 Re: Tescos and Sheringham. Rupert wrote "Where do the Co-Op (who presumably aren't guilty of this) get their New Zealand Lamb from?"   Could it be Tesco's The EXPERT knows more and more about less and less until he knows everything about nothing .    Report

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