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30/04/2008, 10:32 AM Sans Joined on 04/01/2005 North Norfolk Posts 211 Re: The Bridewell Museum Hello N, Don't know if the following info will help with your investigation or not... History of the Catholic Church from the Renaissance to the French Revolution.  By; Rev. James MacCaffrey.  www.nalanda.nitc.ac.in/resources/english/etext-project/... If you have not already done so check out:  Norwich Historic Churches Trust, The Cathedral Priory of the Holy Trinity, Nch and the Priory of St. Leonard, Norwich Hill, in Thorpwood. The Dominican Friary at St Andrews Hall dissolved in 1538 and cannot find connection to Boleyn!  But there are plenty of references at above site - will keep you busy for years.   Thanks Sans "Who is so deaf as he who does not want to hear, or so blind as he who does not want to see"    Report

01/05/2008, 12:25 AM ? Joined on 18/04/2008 Posts 16 Re: The Bridewell Museum Hello I know that some of you are aware of the following facts this is for those on the forum who are not aware of my e-mail yesterday. Geoffrey de Salle, who appartently, built in 1325 what is now known as "the Bridewell", is possibly related to Anne Boleyn (Bullens) whose father is Geoffrey, Boleyn, of Salle there are brasses of her decendants in the church at Salle, Norfolk, of Geoffrey and his wife Alice Boleyn (Bullens) for all to see.  Church of Salle parish records possibly imply that that her ancestors lived in the parish of Salle from as early as 1318. The Dominican link with the original building built by Geoffrey de Salle will have incorporated existing monastic buildings owned by the Dominican order originally built sometime in the 13th century and was used for a time for the Irish Dominican Sisters (national archives). It seems for a time part of the building now known as the "Bridewell" in Norwich was originally a part of the Dominican Friars of St Andrews. There seems that there appears to be evidence that in a number of our cities in England "Bridewells" or what they may have been called before were originally set up near Dominican monastic institutions; with special reference to the Blackfrairs area south of the city of London near to Blackfriars Bridge.  Happy hunting  N      Report

01/05/2008, 4:36 PM Eddie Mallett Joined on 11/01/2008 Posts 594 Re: The Bridewell Museum Hi N Thanks for the write up again. I must say that I didnt for one second think that the Bridewell had any links to Anne Boleyn. Thats pretty darn interesting in my book. Also didnt know anything about the Monastic conections. I think that the Bridewell (historicly) is getting a more interesting place than ever I had of thought that it was. I'm glad that I asked you to see what you could find out about the place. Im also even more pleased that you have taken the time to research it for us. Many thanks Best wishes  Eddie    Report

01/05/2008, 11:43 PM spookfan Joined on 10/07/2007 Suffolk Posts 130 Re: The Bridewell Museum N....you are stupendous!   what a find you are! spookfan    Report

02/05/2008, 12:52 AM ? Joined on 18/04/2008 Posts 16 Re: The Bridewell Museum Hello Norfolk County Records Office;  1   Mayors Court Books 1425- 1835 NCR case 16a microfilm. 2   Bridewell Committee Minute Books 1792- 1820 NCR case 19c. 3   Accounts books 1585- 1751 NCR case 19c. 4   Calender of Prisioners 1706 NCR cabinet 5m. 5   Coroners inquests 1669- 1835 NCR case 69, catalogue available. The Bridewell in Norwich was used to punish those guilty of "lesser" crimes which at the time included "unmarried" mothers and did have a very high mortality rate? I have done enough, for now,  ITS ALL UP TO YOU my fellow future investigators! This research may not provide all the answers but serious investigators will know that it is very hard work and still needs to be done "no stone unturned". Happy hunting N     Report

02/05/2008, 1:33 AM Eddie Mallett Joined on 11/01/2008 Posts 594 Re: The Bridewell Museum Hi N The calender of prisoners & coroners inquests sounds very interesting. I didnt think that such records would still exit. It would also be interesting to know what the prisoners daily lives would have existed of & what foods that they would have had. I was told that at the Toll House dungeon in Gt Yarmouth they had a bared area open to the public passer byes, where the prisoners could beg for food though the bars. I was told that food was not in great suply from the prison. Thanks very much for the info & of your time investigating the Bridewell & the Norfolk County record office for the results. Best wishes Eddie    Report

03/05/2008, 2:45 AM ? Joined on 18/04/2008 Posts 16 Re: The Bridewell Museum Hello The link you have given me; www.nalanda.nitc.ac.in/resources/english/etext-project/..., only takes me to fictional authors, including some great authors but still fictional? Please if you can as I am very interested in the history of Catholic Church from the Renaissance to the French revolution give me the exact link you have recomended! Happy hunting. N      Report

03/05/2008, 11:05 PM spookfan Joined on 10/07/2007 Suffolk Posts 130 Re: The Bridewell Museum Thankyou Dave for the info....hope to see you at the Mia dolan night?     Eddie.....how did you get on today?? itching to know!   spookfan    Report

04/05/2008, 3:31 AM Eddie Mallett Joined on 11/01/2008 Posts 594 Re: The Bridewell Museum Hi Linda I walked though the doors of the Bridewell & the receptionist said. 'The Bridewewell have been stangly quiet for the past two weeks.' She then said that she was sure that it would pick up again. 'See what you can get.' She then said how usualy she can hear children skipping & laughing in the museum when there is no one there. Other staff members had also heard this. So that was a bit of a disapointment. I looked around & it was in deed, no where as active as the week that we all went there. (I even came home minus a headache.) How ever I could still feel the underlying spiritual pressance. I picked up on a Tom Reece. He came from Kilverstone in 18.45. So thats a name thats worth trying to look up. Other than that nothing else. Nothing on photos. Hopfully that Strangers Hall next week & The Norwich Castle the following week will get more on camera. Best wishes Eddie    Report

04/05/2008, 4:17 AM Eddie Mallett Joined on 11/01/2008 Posts 594 Re: The Bridewell Museum Hi N Is this any good for you? http://catholicity.elcore.net/MacCaffrey/HCCRFR_TOC.html Best wishes Eddie    Report

04/05/2008, 10:16 PM spookfan Joined on 10/07/2007 Suffolk Posts 130 Re: The Bridewell Museum eddie id say that was still quite good.  i wonder if that couldve been achild, after all i suppose kids from all over the east anglia area, wouldve ended up in there?  I wonder if we took Amy back in there, she would be a draw for the kids, it seemed to be that she certainly had some connection when she was there last...? spookfan    Report

05/05/2008, 12:53 AM ? Joined on 18/04/2008 Posts 16 Re: The Bridewell Museum Hello Eddie Thank you very much for your link. Yes it works!!!!! I feel its time, with the right investigators that we must now consider to conduct a "professional and correct" investigation. Before this happens I must Insist that someone, apart from you of course, follow the leads (Norfolk Record Office) that I left to "My future fellow investigators?" as a test regarding the Norwich Bridewell. Happy Hunting. N      Report

05/05/2008, 2:10 PM jenny Joined on 27/02/2008 norfolk Posts 234 Re: The Bridewell Museum hi eddie and N i have just finished a book fictional butwith some real accounts in it, it would seem the prisons like the bridewell were very much up to your ranking ie if you had money people brought you clothes and food, if you were poor, you had to sell your body reason for all the children born in the prisons, passers by would give food to those they thought had begged enough, as they would of been put on show, gin was drunk, this was allowed and given to the women by the guards i would imagine it was a horrible ordeal and to be a women trying to protect her children was a hard task, most would of died very young due to starvation and infection jitters    Report

05/05/2008, 5:21 PM Eddie Mallett Joined on 11/01/2008 Posts 594 Re: The Bridewell Museum Hi N I will agree with you on that one. Its a bit tricky for me to get to the record office though. No busses other that Saturdays. I only use trains when something big is hapening. A concert, or an astronomy day. I find trains rather expencive, I'm afraid. One thing that I do find interesting from what you have said. 'A professional & correct investigation.' 'My future fellow investigators.' So it seem to me as if you are a professional ghost hunter? I also noticed 'N'. I can only think of one local Norfolk professional ghost hunter with that initial. Could you be the very much &  respected ghost hunter Niel Fellows by any chance? I know that Niel used to come on this forum. If you are indeed Neil Fellows, then it is a huge privilege to have you helping us. Not to mention having your input back on the SN forum. Best wishes Eddie    Report

05/05/2008, 7:28 PM Eddie Mallett Joined on 11/01/2008 Posts 594 Re: The Bridewell Museum Hi Linda What I got from Tom, he was an adult. Bring Amy along........Now let me think..............Ah Ha.....Ghosty bait........Ghosty bait. Bait Bait BAIT.   Yep bring her along.  Giggle. TUT. Just joking. Best wishes Eddie Hi Jenny Nope I would say that life in prison in the Victorian days would have not been a bowl of cherries. Down right nasty in fact. TUT......No human rights groups then. Best wishes Eddie    Report

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