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28/03/2008, 8:18 AM Richard Baguley Joined on 28/03/2008 Posts 1 Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Today's EDP carries a story (not yet on the website) that has been bubbling for some time but is now looking more like becoming government policy.  In short, the proposal is not to defend the shoreline at its weakest points (Eccles to Winterton) and to allow the sea to breach current defences thus creating a permanent "embayment" stretching several miles inland.  It follows that, if these plans are adopted, maintenance will cease very soon thereafter. Farmland, many villages, businesses, habitat - all will be lost.  No talk of compensation, so far as I can see. There are recreational, conservation, economic and human rights issues to be considered and on balance, it seems to me that maintaining sea defences is probably the better and cheaper, option.  It is imperative that, from now on, proper public consultation is conducted and that a full analysis of the likely costs of each option is undertaken (and published) before firm plans are made.    Report

28/03/2008, 9:33 AM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,426 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Throughout Fenland and now Norfolk the EA seems to be looking for the cheaper option and putting vast swathes of hard won farmland at risk.Although the prospect of sea lapping at the bottom of Damgate Lane once more is not unattractive the loss of Martham/Hickling and Horsey would be a shame especially since locals have worked hard to keep the sea out of the area for so long.The estates at Somerton and Horsey are models of good farms. The majority of settlements are above problem heights but Winterton,Sea Palling and between and parts of Hickling would be in trouble. http://books.google.com/books?id=GscJ3SocRh0C&printsec=frontcover&dq=books+about+norfolk+remembrancer&lr=#PPP7,M1 The above is a link to a book which details events of note in Norfolk, including incursions at Waxham and Horsey. Each time local men with spades and horses must have worked to rebuild the sand banks. If they could do it in the 17th to 20th centuries why can't the EA do it now. Sea level change is an poor excuse.If vast banks can be made for motorways then why not a series of banks behind the dunes? Indeed some of the money being spent paying Nuttall to raise banks to stop river flooding of the marshes would have been better spent on keeping the sea out.   I don't feel the overwhelming anxiety about flooding that one other Forum contributor is trouble by I do wonder if this is a kite being flown by some factions to show that more funding is needed or if it is to get us used to the idea of returning Flegg to an island. At some point the decision would have to be made to permanently evacuate the vulnerable settlements if the defences were not maintained. My favourite view around here is from the hill just to the east of Flegg high looking northwards, I wonder if I shall live to see it as sea.    Report

28/03/2008, 10:32 AM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,999 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? This does not cover my area but of course if there were compensation for the people moved on it would soften the blow for them. But, people will still have to be rehoused by local authorities and if the cost of this is taken into consideration surely sea defences are the economic way forward. Of course the cost would be levied on a different department if rehousing was necessary and would be shifted from the Environment Agency. I must say though even with the thought of imminent flooding, I would still rather live where I am instead of the highly populated areas of Norwich and surrounding areas. Isnt it time the insurance companies used their might to take on the Environment Agency in these matters. I am in touch with Malcolm Kerby and he has taken our plight on board and is helping as much as he can.    Report

28/03/2008, 11:30 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,743 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Thanks for your first post on here Richard and a very interesting one indeed. Flood management is a contradiction in words and I cannot see that the Government will save the Fens from sea encroachment either, they need money for wars and to subsedise arms dealers and large equity companies and banks struggling to make a buck. Dredging for 365 days/year and selling the sand to Holland is a popular activity for HMQ and we all know that she needs the money desperately, the easterly currents deposits are being erroded and ferried off, exacerbating the currents and abrasion to the coast line, our coast is erroding at a speed not seen before.   But that is just one consideration. Nobody as yet can foresee what effect the easterly currents will have when they hit this first breach, this artificially created bay. My guess is that the currents will have a gauging effect, circulating and erroding those areas with only five meters ground level and making it necessarry to let further land go in future, regardless of what those who live there want. I prefer the Dutch approach to sea defenses,  they would'nt dream of going belly up and letting the sea win back long established tracks of land they'd won from the sea.   The choice is to spend money at home, bring back our Iraq troops and set them to work on some civilian front lines, a little peace activities wouldn't go a miss. Why can civil defense not be an integral part of the basic training, literally digging for England?   What are these folks in Eccles and Winterton going to think, what future prospects left to their own devices, what will happen to their houses and properties, will there be compensation for deliberately planned land loss? I very much doubt it, they will try and blame a higher respoinsibility for this, an act of god, poor sod, when all goes pearshape, he's taken all the blame. nevermind    Report

28/03/2008, 12:22 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,322 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? In very simple terms, the present methods of greed government in our country do not provide for such basic common sense initiatives as protecting our land from the sea. If you cannot make money from things in a short enough time to directly benefit them they cannot even understand it. Brainwashed by the yankee doodles and the Zionists. We need to be rid of them and the thousands of josworthy no nothings they support. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

28/03/2008, 1:36 PM N.Y. Bob Joined on 15/08/2003 Endicott New York Posts 316 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I see you are blaming everything on the Americans and Jews again.  Why not let the British take the blame for your problems.    Report

28/03/2008, 4:33 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,322 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I am not blaming Jews whatever description they may be using at the moment to avoid any responsibility. There are plenty of British and yankee doodle Zionists however. They run your country Bob and ours. The lack of sensible flood defense in Norfolk is a direct result of the greedy self serving policies these Zionists have. Policies that leave no place for long term planning other than their world domination plans and no place at all for investments in protecting people if it does not instantly profit them. They have thousands of cockroach jobsworthies living off the dregs they throw to them both here and in America. Your President and our Prime Minister are two of them. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

28/03/2008, 11:14 PM N.Y. Bob Joined on 15/08/2003 Endicott New York Posts 316 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Again Keith,  what do the Yanks have to do with Norfolk flood defences.    Report

29/03/2008, 6:53 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,244 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I agree with a lot of what you are saying Richard but this has been on the cards for years.Now that it has been made public perhaps the local people will stand up for themselves and fight these proposals.There are people like myself,who do not live in Norfolk but seem to have more passion about the county than some of the local people.I notice that the Broads Authority are very quiet about the subject,I wonder if they attended the conference in Norwich.What a pity local people were not  consulted.Just one furthur point and that is,Is there a future for the Broads Authority? To me it is just a toothless,arrogant Quango.John    Report

29/03/2008, 11:11 AM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,426 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I have just been to Winterton and had a look and a think about this- in no way condoning letting the banks fail that is.I don't think the area will scour out but tend to agree with the published prediction for what will happen. Over the years I have lived in the area I have seen the sand bars grow and shift just off the beach and since that is what happened to close the gap across the Hundred stream to start with I don't see why it shouldn't continue to do so. There would be just as much wildlife, only of a different sort in a big brackish lagoon, sometimes with more sea water in it than at others. I see they proposed the same neglect for Cuckmere Haven in Sussex but in that location there would not be the number of houses affected. An anxiety for all those who live in the affected area must be whether this mulling over of a possibility already blighted the value of their homes and what is going to be done about that    Report

29/03/2008, 11:14 AM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,426 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? And if there was a lock at Potter there could probably be just as much sailing as well- with no water weed to worry about  the old broad basins could be dredged out by the boating interests    Report

29/03/2008, 12:28 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,322 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Hmm, a harbor complex at Potter Higham. Casinos perhaps? How about a pleasure beach? The ferry contracts could be very profitable. Main roads through Filby etc and no problems with the Acle Strait or GY congestion, makes sense to the greed lobby then. I would not see much of a future for your nice peaceful Broadland though gardener. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

30/03/2008, 3:44 PM trekker Joined on 09/11/2007 Norwich Posts 60 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I live in the area and will find my house within about 200 metres the wrong side of any sea defence! I am aware that the SMP proposed by the government talked about "managed retreat" and NNDC, most Parish Councils, GYBC etc have all opposed this proposal.  The current SMP says "hold the line" and I, for one, will continue to support any campaign to do so. What has incensed me the most is the fact that the "bodies" involved in these discussions did not think to consult the very people there ideas affect! Whilst I think that it is inevitable that sea levels and "climate change" will change this coastline surely the cost implications of "holding the line" will be far less than the"managed retreat" when the authorities will have to construct new sea defences further inland. I will take a spade or drive a digger to rebuild the coast if I have to because although I am not Norolfk born , I have spent most of my life here and its worth saving! Do I detect some irony in the fact that the dredging company (is it Hansens and isnt Mr Prescotts aide a director of it and isnt Mr Prescott involved with a company building 10's of thousands of homes on the Thames flood plains where a large chunk of the sea defence budget was apparently diverted?) is probably selling some of the materials to the Dutch to RECLAIM there land?  Lets look after ENGLAND and not Europe and other far flung places!         Report

30/03/2008, 4:23 PM swampie Joined on 10/05/2007 Norfolk Posts 78 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Well said, Trekker, I too live in the area, bang smack in the middle in fact..I too will be there with my spade doing everything I can do to save such a beautiful area. Too often these days we are told that no more money can be spent saving our shoreline, yet plenty of money is found to do the most profound studies. When 2the managed retreat, first came to my notice a couple of years ago, I did sign the petition that was going round, I think the timespan then was 50 to 100 years. My thoughts were I have no intention at this point of moving from such a beautiful unspoilt place. If the worst come's to the worst I should be dead and gone and will have nothing to lose. Now we have been hit with this horrendous news and the time span is 20 to 50 years and my husband & I stand to loose a great deal.   " sorry I am lost for words at this point "    Report

30/03/2008, 5:11 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,322 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Sorry Bob my original reply did not go up for some reason. The billions of pounds spent on the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, both of which cannot be won, was money that could easily have built sufficient flood defense for East Anglia Bob. This money has been wasted in support of Butcher Bush your president, in support of the Zionist cause in the Middle East. This is why America is directly responsible for flooding in Norfolk Bob. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

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