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01/05/2008, 9:21 AM Sans Joined on 04/01/2005 North Norfolk Posts 185 APPARITIONS V SCIENCE What do you think? Are apparitions, ghosts, spirits, poltergeists able to retain any known physical properties such as atoms and molecules - in other words form? Thanks Sans "Who is so deaf as he who does not want to hear, or so blind as he who does not want to see"    Report

02/05/2008, 1:01 AM Eddie Mallett Joined on 11/01/2008 Posts 500 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE Hi Sans In my experience, no they dont. The body is a capsule that our spirit has conected its self to. For another Earthly plane experience. Each life is a learning factor. When the body dies our spirit is released. How much it has learned in its time on Earth is taken back to the spirit world. each life is a learning curve. Yes I am taking about reincarnation, which I have evidence of. As you have read. Of the likes of polergueists, they are powerful spirits that can move things at will but not by touch. Also there have been know scientific evidence that have come to light about poltergueits. Poltergeist activity is mostly where a child lives in a house.  New scientific evidence states that when a child is disturbed emotionly, it can learn the power to move things just with the power of its own mind & not by touch. So what the scientists are now saying is that the human mind has the power to move things about by just using brain power alone. In my mind thats even more amazing than a spirit poltergeist. Now how to tell the difference between the two, thats the One Million dollar question? Best wishes Eddie    Report

02/05/2008, 1:13 AM Eddie Mallett Joined on 11/01/2008 Posts 500 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE By the way Sans This is an excellent idea for a thead, or at least it should be. One that the sceptics & ghosthunters can come together. So if there is any sceptics out there that knows of any scientific reasons for any spirit activity, why not air your views. This should make for excellent reading. Maybe we can all learn something from it. Best wishes Eddie    Report

07/05/2008, 9:18 AM Sans Joined on 04/01/2005 North Norfolk Posts 185 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE Hi Eddie, Thanks for that - I am after a break trying to catch up with posts & mail. Yes, i do agree with you that our mind, our will, our consciousness, whatever you like to call it is amazing when trying to understand what it is fully capable of - if only we could understand more! Your first sentence Eddie has me somewhat confused - can you explain more please? If we consider that apparitions are able to exist independently from us as I feel they must then how?  Here I am thinking of classic ghost hauntings such as the Grey lady as an example only.  How is it possible for this apparition to provide on film colour, shape and dare I say it - form? The photo clearly provides proof of independent existence from its perceivers from another time/plane......................Atoms & molecules????????            Thanks Sans "Who is so deaf as he who does not want to hear, or so blind as he who does not want to see"    Report

07/05/2008, 8:40 PM jenny Joined on 27/02/2008 norfolk Posts 234 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE hi ok hubby has just hit me with a really good question, i think so anyway, i could just be going into one  lol he says whos to say what we call spirit arnt just living on another human plain, like layers of a cake why cant there be levels of human existence, ours being the strongest living and as you go up levels your body is defined to be weaker which makes you spirit like, i can understand that question, what do you lot think, this to me makes us all the same ummmmmmm jitters    Report

08/05/2008, 9:48 AM Sans Joined on 04/01/2005 North Norfolk Posts 185 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE Hi Jitters, That is an interesting question - I don't know if my answer will help any or simply confuse matters further - I do hope others try and provide an answer. Quantum physics are pushing the boundaries of science all the time with ideas of parrallel universes and other dimensions.  Personally, I cannot see any reason as to why there cannot be other planes of human existence...in fact I like hubbies way of describing how you become spirit by exisiting in each level. I have another notion to put to your hubbies view.  Stay with me while I try to explain a scenario ok.  I'm sitting here in my office typing a reply to you, I have a heart attack and die.  But, where did I die?  Right here in my chair in this office.  Where does my spirit exit the physical?  Here in this room.  Because many people including myself believe in the idea of spirit - I feel it a logical suggestion to consider that as spirit can leave our bodies on this plane - that they can also co-exist on this very same plane because their plane could overlaps ours, both planes interrelating - hope that makes sense to you? Who is to say that there cannot be other dimensions/parallels within this world - such as past, present and future - it could answer a lot of answers for me, especially regarding reincarnation, life after death and not to mention paranormal phenomena... Let me know what hubby says Jitters even if he says NUTS :) Thanks Sans "Who is so deaf as he who does not want to hear, or so blind as he who does not want to see"    Report

08/05/2008, 12:50 PM jenny Joined on 27/02/2008 norfolk Posts 234 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE hi sans it would seem we are on the same wave length, even though they who ever they are say when we die we leave our body and go with the others whom have died before them, as you say where is there, i liked hubbies idea it makes a lot of sense to me, about spirits, especially the bad ones, if they were horrible while on this living plain why change they remain the same, hubbie thinks im mad anyway but says it keeps him laughing, but he must think of things in his head to come up with this, prehaps when we are on one level we choose our life cycle good,bad,short or long, if we die suddenly we dont move up too far but say you are young and die you go to a higher plain and so on,but you choose who and what you are, this would expain to me things for example you go somewhere you have never been in this life, but go there and know the place as somewhere familiar, this happened last year to my daughter we went to Barford to do something and she had never been there before but knew what was round every corner, or in one case what would have been round a corner but now no longer exsisted, it was very strange,also the same with a country or language the possibilities are endless. take care jitters    Report

08/05/2008, 7:14 PM Sans Joined on 04/01/2005 North Norfolk Posts 185 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE Hi Jitters, I get the jist of what your saying even though I do not pretend to fully comprehend.  I also agree that hubby has his own way of viewing things & may need some coaxing to come out and express his thoughts.  I would like to think like you that we do have a choice about whether we wish to return or move on.  Do you think it is possible to change our life span while here in the physical? Reference your daughters experience while at Barford - could be that her mind went out and travelled before the physical and came back retaining some of the information of where it had just been.  But the bit about knowing what was around the corner that no longer existed might be answered in a number of ways such as mind travel and viewing past, present and future or reincarnation or anything really??? Yeah, the possibilities are amazing.  That is the problem with all of this that parapsychologists can experiment and test, retest some abilities as in ESP, Telepathy, Remote Viewing to name a few - but when it comes down to those things that are only sensible to the human mind, they do not always lend themselves to scientific observation - I have to say here that nothing is on demand these days we cannot click our fingers and expect a ghost to appear, no more than we can demand an individual under controlled conditions to always come up with the goods due to anxiety and environment...we have so much to learn and so have the scientists! Thanks Sans "Who is so deaf as he who does not want to hear, or so blind as he who does not want to see"    Report

08/05/2008, 9:54 PM jenny Joined on 27/02/2008 norfolk Posts 234 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE Hi sans i wish we could control our life span while here in the physical, prehaps then we would not loose so many of our loved ones , prehaps that will be next thing who knows as for my daughter she wants to have pass life regression but i feel at 13 she is far too young, to understand what it really all means i would love it!!. she has come up with very intersting things in the past, like she is fasinated with canada, she speeks french really well, i feel if there is such a thing as past lives she has brought a bit here too, she is always day dreaming prehaps her mind is off travelling somewhere who knows, it would be great to say to some one my daughter is not a day dreamer she is mind travelling, im sure that would be a good conversation starter!!!! all the best jitters    Report

09/05/2008, 7:20 AM Sans Joined on 04/01/2005 North Norfolk Posts 185 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE Hi Jitters, I realise that for the moment I am going off course from the original post but, I do feel that we can 'alter' our lifespan.  When I say this I am acknowledging those who have died with a broken heart, simply by given up the will to live.  Or, those that have life saving operations such as lung and heart transplants, even suicides and murders could fall into that category simply due to cheating time.  My apologies to anyone readng this who has lost someone in this way.  We may unknowingly or deliberately with prior knowledge alter our destiny also.  I beleive that if you want something so badly and, if it is for noble reasons - it is possible. Many years ago I used to have like Eddie vivid dreams of other times and places and decided to find out more about regression.  I spoke with many hypnotherapists and was put in contact with a hypnotherapist who deals with experimental regression.  This person was based in Suffolk, to far for me to go on a regular basis - so that line of enquiry went moot.  In many respects, I am glad that I did not choose to go down that road. What I also found out is that the controller/hypnotherapist all work differently, this one stated that he would not be willing to give me any recordings of the sessions and that I would not have any recall of what happened during the session - again they can charge what they want.  I agree that your daughter is still very young and she can choose to chase that angle when she is older.  But, with all things, you have to be mentally ready to assimilate information that may have a life changing effects for good or bad... Your daughter sounds wonderful jitters, does she keep drawings?  It would be fascinating to give her a subject and ask her to draw whatever she feels about it and see what she produces. I would be interested to know where the expression day dreaming came from. Thanks Jitters    Thanks Sans "Who is so deaf as he who does not want to hear, or so blind as he who does not want to see"    Report

09/05/2008, 5:36 PM jenny Joined on 27/02/2008 norfolk Posts 234 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE hi sans yep i can see where you are going on that one as my dad had a heart by pass 13yrs ago, it was really strange as we had just lost my sister and then dad had a heart attack, the paramedics pronounced him dead! at the scene then he gasped and was back, he had had many minor attacks so we were all used to him being ill, we joked after wards that sis had kicked him back with us as she had only just died herself, and had wanted sometime on her own. Dad has cheated death so many times now we have called him the devil, when someone is ill you have to lighten the mood, or it just drags you down. theres not much i can say about suicide thats a choice thing and i think anyone who does this is very brave, to take your own life you must be in hell to think of doing it. yes my daughter is wonderful, but i would say that, shes always writing,drawing, and reading, she is now convinced that the name she has now was hers in a past life, she lived in canada and spoke french, she had a ranch, and many dogs, all were buried in the grounds she found the ranch on the internet after these thoughts came to her, and there are some very similar things going on, we have 6dogs and they are her best friends, she tells them everything. i will have alook at her folder of drawings and see if there are any that are connected to her visits of places  that she remembers from somewhere else keep plodding on jitters       Report

10/05/2008, 3:39 AM Eddie Mallett Joined on 11/01/2008 Posts 500 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE Hi Sans I believe in two realms of survival. Spirit & living. You are conceived & a spirit conects its self immediately to the living. This can be any spirit, that wants to experience life again, from the other side. When you die it is said that many people have witnessed a white light & a tunnel that they have traveled though. This in my belief is the tunnel that conects one plain of existence to anouther. Spirit to living. Living to spirit Science have said that this tunnel could be a natural occurrence, the brain shutting down after death. A natural endorphin rush. I myself dont believe this, as so many people have witnessed this & have brought memories back with them that they should not have any recollection of. What Drs were saying about them, when they were decleared clinicly dead. Bringing messagers from dead loved ones, that for a brief moment they had met in the spirit world to their living relitives. I saw aunt ,,,,,,,,,,,I saw Uncle......I saw Nan......I saw Grandad.....I saw Mum .......I saw Dad. She/He said this...... & that & that she/he is fine. Then a few things that a person recieving the message would only know about. This has been reported from people who have died & then come back............... Science sweep this info under the carpet The reincarnation bit. I believe that we come from spirit to learn from the living world. How or what we learn is up to the person. Your conscions = (Spirit) can tell you something. Its up to the person if they go along with what the concions is telling them. Conscions/Spirit. 'You can do this, thats good.' .............Person............ 'No I dont want to do that, its not cool.' I wonder how many times we have witnessed that through out our lives. Humph.  A few times I bet. When some mediums work. (myself included) they get thought waves from spirit from the back of their heads. Again conscions/spirit..........A spirit conecting with our spirit/conscions. Time for bed now, I will get back later........When I get back from Norwich. Best wishes Eddie      Report

10/05/2008, 9:47 AM Sans Joined on 04/01/2005 North Norfolk Posts 185 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE Hi Jitters, Thanks for sharing that.  We have much in common.  My Dad was very similar and the situation lasted two years until he decided that he had had enough at the age of 60, but then he was on oxygen 24hrs a day. I have often wondered about the fact of cheating death and how that might alter ones destiny or life plan - assuming of course that such a thing like destiny does exist? I agree also about those who have taken their own lives...having had yrs of working in that area the only way I can come to terms with it is to say that they are now free from their hell.  But, yes, they are very brave indeed. Just out of interest Jitters, how old was your daughter when she first started having these thoughts? Thanks Sans "Who is so deaf as he who does not want to hear, or so blind as he who does not want to see"    Report

10/05/2008, 10:07 AM Sans Joined on 04/01/2005 North Norfolk Posts 185 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE Hi Ed, These individual views and accounts of near death experiences, reincarnation and where the spirit goes to after death is so fascinating.  I did a thesis many yrs ago and collected much data on peoples beliefs about the existence of life after death...even still have the interview tapes of many theologians that I interviewed - doubt that I will ever be able to dispose of - a valauable wealth of qualitative data of unique experiences. I have also had two nr death experiences, one involving a RTA the other not, but never experienced the tunnel or bright white light that so many talk about.  Not saying that it does not happen or even exist - how can I and, I am not disputing that there are two levels of existence only, can't do that either, just thinking that as we learn more then other possibilities open up.  Could even be as suggested earlier more levels within those two levels Eddie? Hope you all had a great day out at Norwich and hope your cold gets better soon :)   Thanks Sans "Who is so deaf as he who does not want to hear, or so blind as he who does not want to see"    Report

11/05/2008, 12:22 AM Eddie Mallett Joined on 11/01/2008 Posts 500 Re: APPARITIONS V SCIENCE Hi Sans Were you classed as physically dead by the medics/Hospital before they resusitated you? If so, I'm more than glad that you survived these too incidents. About the Hypnotist that you went to see. I will have to say that you made a wise decision about not going though with it. A true past life hypnotist worth his/her salt would  most certainly have taped the sitting & they would most certainly alow you to remember, after the sitting. After all thats what you went for, to find out about your past lives. So Iwould say that it was a wise dicision by you. In my experience there is only two realms of existance. Living world & spirit world. Yes its true that a spirit can get trapped between the two worlds. So I supose you could say that that is a third. An Earthbound spirit. These are the spirits that mediums try to help to the light. = Spirit world/Heaven/or any other name that other countries may have for their spirit world. There are so many different names & religeons, world wide. Best wishes Eddie    Report

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