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28/04/2008, 1:26 PM Kizzy Joined on 13/05/2007 Posts 147 Recent security breach at Norwich Airport I can't see that anyone else has mentioned this, so I will!  We couldn't stop laughing when the guy from Norwich Airport was being interviewed by Stewart White on the local TV news. Just about every question Stewart asked him he replied "I'm not going to comment on that" and he was adamant that the female reporter who did get in (twice) very easily, would NOT have got any nearer to the aircraft than she did but it looked pretty close to us!! Also, he kept on about the same thing happening at other airports .... but that doesn't make these 2 incidents right does it?  In my opinion if he was aware of how easily this happened at other airports, then they should have learned something from that and acted long ago.    Report

28/04/2008, 1:36 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,636 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport I visit the airport on a regular basis kizzy and have had reason to talk to some of those responsible for security. One of the jokes they talk of is the concrete barrier across the entrance. It is supposed to prevent a vehicle attack on the terminal. The trouble is, any body can drive round the end of it and nobody is stopped anyway. Daftest thing I ever saw. All it manages to do is negate the use of all the terminal access points and delays passengers. The rest of the airport is much like any other small regional airfield, easily accessed by anyone. IMO private security companies only pay lip service to security at such sites. They do not have a budget big enough or the qualified staff to even play at proper security. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

28/04/2008, 1:43 PM Alan Hardesty Joined on 15/05/2005 Norwich Posts 1,577 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport I was doing an IT job at Norwich airport a few months ago, as a contractor.  I drove under an unmanned barrier (just to the right of the airport terminal building) and parked outside the hangar.  Wandered into the hanger, asked a guy where I could find the IT department and was directed to the office (overlooking the airport). No one even spoke to me in the 40 minutes I was there.  Only when leaving and I needed a signature did anyone ask who I was and what I was doing there.  There were several planes in the hangar, some being painted, others in varying states. I never stole your flag, I just rescued it from the gutter where you left it. For the truth go to www.bnp.org.uk just a link, like Denise has.    Report

28/04/2008, 1:55 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,636 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport So let us look at the facts. The airport (airfield) was sold out of local ownership by a Council who's top executive left the country shortly afterwords. Those who bought it have lied about the number of aircraft movements and done absolutely nothing to protect the traveling public. I find it hard to understand why no legal action has not been taken. I was told that the local police do not bother much with fraud cases, I wonder why? Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

28/04/2008, 6:27 PM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,767 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport Can I just say that Group 4 is the security firm at the airport. I will say no more!!!!!    Report

28/04/2008, 6:38 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,349 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport Norwich airports is not just a joke, but it is superfluous to requirement, shut it down and build some affordable housing, bearing in mind that planners know what that means. nevermind    Report

28/04/2008, 7:36 PM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,767 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport Nevermind the local economy Nevermind the jobs lost Nevermind there is already a housing estate adjacent to the airport Nevermind hundreds of local people use the airport everyday But nevermind neverminds what they want, does he?    Report

29/04/2008, 10:36 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,636 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport So just what improvements are planned to protect the traveling public at Norwich Airport? Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

29/04/2008, 6:50 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,636 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport When I used Elstree airfield to fly from, a friend of mine the late Peter Wood was the Air Traffic Controller. He lived on the airfield near the main gate in a residential caravan. This was only a small light field but there was 24 hour security with cameras back in the early 1980,s. I helped to set it up. I am certain that a similar on site security could be set up for Norwich, with an on site official. With modern IT, it should be inexpensive to cover the whole field with a decent camera system, coupled to quick response. I have mentioned this issue before with little response from those who make money from the site. The situation at Bacton is similar. I am aware that most of the terrorist threat is a government smoke screen but even so the level of security at present reflects the 'could not care less' attitude. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

29/04/2008, 7:59 PM Darcy Joined on 15/12/2007 Posts 351 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport  keith gerrard wrote: So just what improvements are planned to protect the traveling public at Norwich Airport? What security measures were installed during the Northern Ireland troubles? Are you implying Britain is presently at greater risk than during that period? Why is Norwich so at risk? What did you have in mind? A tank or two? Laughing.    Report

29/04/2008, 8:16 PM Darcy Joined on 15/12/2007 Posts 351 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport Without seeming complacent sometimes we perhaps need a touch of perspective....     Irish Republican Attacks During The Troubles See also: The troubles, Chronology of Provisional IRA actions, and Irish National Liberation Army  1970-1979 An IRA bomb exploded in the Post Office Tower (today called the BT Tower) on October 31, 1971, resulting in the building's permanent closure to the public.[4] 8 March 1973: The Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) conducted its first operation in mainland Britain, planting four car bombs in London. Two bombs exploded, killing one person and injuring 180 others. Ten members of the IRA team, including Gerry Kelly, Dolours Price and Marian Price, were arrested at Heathrow Airport trying to leave the country.[5] 17 June 1974: A bomb exploded at the Houses of Parliament in London, causing extensive damage and injuring 11 people. 7 November 1974: An off-duty soldier and a civilian were killed when a bomb was thrown through the window of the Kings Arms pub in Woolwich, and 28 people were injured. Two British soldiers were killed by a bomb near near Stewartstown, County Tyrone.[7] 21 December 1974: A bomb was defused in Harrods department store in Knightsbridge, London, (A second bomb was defused in the King's Arms public house in Warminster, Wiltshire).[7] 28 August 1975: Seven people were injured when a bomb exploded in Oxford Street, London. A telephone warning was issued to The Sun newspaper five minutes before the explosion. 5 September 1975: Two people are killed and 63 injured when an IRA bomb explodes in the lobby of the Hilton hotel in London. [9] 6–12 December 1975: Four IRA members held two people hostage in the Balcombe Street Siege.[10] 30 March 1979, Shadow Northern Ireland Secretary Airey Neave was killed by a car bomb as he left the House of Commons car park planted by the Irish National Liberation Army (INLA) in 1979.[11][12] 1980-1989 October 10, 1981: a bomb blast on Ebury Bridge Road next to Chelsea Barracks kills two people and injures 39. October 26, 1981: a bomb planted by the IRA in a Wimpy Bar on Oxford Street kills Kenneth Howorth, the Metropolitan Police explosives officer who is attempting to defuse it. July 20, 1982: Two bombs in Hyde Park and Regent's Park, London by the Provisional Irish Republican Army (IRA) kill 11 members of the Household Cavalry and the Royal Green Jackets. Seven horses are also killed. December 17, 1983: Harrods was bombed by the IRA. Six people were killed (including three police officers) and 90 wounded during Christmas shopping at the West London department store. (See 17 December 1983 Harrods bombing)  1990-1999 May 16, 1990: Wembley IRA detonate a bomb underneath a minibus killing Sgt Charles Chapman (The Queen's Regiment) and injuring another soldier. No one was ever convicted of Sgt Chapmans murder. July 20, 1990: London Stock Exchange, the IRA exploded a large bomb at the London Stock Exchange causing massive damage. February 18, 1991: A bomb explodes at Victoria Station. One man is killed and 38 people injured. February 28, 1992: A bomb explodes at London Bridge station injuring 29 people. April 10, 1992: A large bomb explodes in St Mary Axe in the City of London. The bomb was contained in a large white truck and consisted of a fertilizer device wrapped with a detonation cord made from Semtex. It killed three people: Paul Butt, 29, Baltic Exchange employee Thomas Casey, 49, and 15-year old Danielle Carter. The bomb also caused damage to surrounding buildings, many of which were also badly damaged by the Bishopsgate bombing the following year. The bomb caused £800 million worth of damage, £200 million more than the total damaged caused by the 10,000 explosions that had occurred during the Troubles in Northern Ireland up to that point.[13] October 12, 1992: A device explodes in the gents' toilet of the Sussex Arms public house in Covent Garden killing one person and injuring four others. 16 November 1992: IRA plants a bomb at the Canary Wharf, but is spotted by security guards. The bomb is deactivated safely. April 24, 1993: Bishopsgate bombing. IRA detonate a huge truck bomb in the City of London at Bishopsgate, It killed journalist Ed Henty, injured over 40 people, and causing approximately £1 billion worth of damage,[14] including the destruction of St Ethelburga's church, and serious damage to Liverpool St. Tube Station. Police had received a coded warning, but were still evacuating the area at the time of the explosion. The insurance payments required were so enormous, that Lloyd's of London almost went bankrupt under the strain, and there was a crisis in the London insurance market. The area had already suffered damage from the Baltic Exchange bombing the year before. February 9, 1996: IRA bombs the South Quay area of London, killing two people. (see 1996 Docklands bombing February 15, 1996: A 5 lb bomb placed in a telephone box is disarmed by Police on the Charing Cross Road. February 18, 1996: An improvised high explosive device detonates prematurely on a bus travelling along Aldwych in central London, killing Edward O'Brien, the IRA operative transporting the device and injuring eight others.[15]  The Middle-East Israeli Ambassador to the Court of St James's, Shlomo Argov, was shot in an assassination attempt outside the Dorchester Hotel on 3 June 1982; his death in 2003 was as a result of the wounds. On Boxing Day 1983 a bomb exploded outside a Marks and Spencers supermarket, seriously injuring two people. Although the IRA was initially blamed, it later emerged that the Abu Nidal Organisation was responsible. [16] A large car bomb exploded outside the Israeli Embassy in London, injuring 20 people on the 26 July 1994.  Islamist Terrorism The July 2005 London bombings carried out by Islamist terrorists: 7 July 2005 London bombings 21 July 2005 attempted bombings 29 June 2007 attempted car bombings  Other attacks The Angry Brigade bombs 25 commercial and government targets in London during a campaign lasting from August 1970 to August 1971. David Copeland's nail bomb attacks against ethnic minorities and gay people in London which killed three people and injured over 160 in April 1999. Laughing.    Report

29/04/2008, 8:29 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,636 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport When I was at Aldergrove in Northern Ireland during the troubles Darcy, the airfield was a joint user field with full military security. It most certainly did have light Armour. The IRA were (and could be again), a highly efficient force and were a very high threat. Today, such efficiency in terrorism is confined mostly to the Middle East. The latest attacks in the UK and the threats discovered have all been very amateur by comparison. Of course it suits Browns silly government to hype up the threats for other reasons. Non of this should promote a lax attitude to security as shown at the joke we call Norwich airport however. It is not difficult or too costly to prevent people entering a field such as Norwich airport, like the Media reporters have just managed to do. It just takes proper security people to deal with it and not those who pay minimum wages for minimum staff. Many people who visit the field on a regular basis have seen the useless security and mentioned it to those responsible. This is a childish level of expertise displayed by people and companies that do not seem to care as long as they get paid. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

29/04/2008, 8:37 PM Darcy Joined on 15/12/2007 Posts 351 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport  keith gerrard wrote: When I was at Aldergrove in Northern Ireland during the troubles Darcy, the airfield was a joint user field with full military security. It most certainly did have light Armour. The IRA were (and could be again), a highly efficient force and were a very high threat. Today, such efficiency in terrorism is confined mostly to the Middle East. The latest attacks in the UK and the threats discovered have all been very amateur by comparison. Of course it suits Browns silly government to hype up the threats for other reasons. Non of this should promote a lax attitude to security as shown at the joke we call Norwich airport however. It is not difficult or too costly to prevent people entering a field such as Norwich airport, like the Media reporters have just managed to do. It just takes proper security people to deal with it and not those who pay minimum wages for minimum staff. Many people who visit the field on a regular basis have seen the useless security and mentioned it to those responsible. This is a childish level of expertise displayed by people and companies that do not seem to care as long as they get paid.   I fly from there in 7 weeks for the first time so will be interested to see how bad it is. Laughing.    Report

29/04/2008, 11:08 PM Osama Bin Laden Joined on 07/11/2007 Posts 138 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport Thanks for all the info everyone, all I need to do next time I wanna get close to a plane is disguise myself as a BNP sympathising IT consultant. "Greatness sits on my shoulders as a dog urinates on the pavement.....with naturalness and ease and some offence to passersby."    Report

30/04/2008, 10:08 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,636 Re: Recent security breach at Norwich Airport Just make sure you cover up your funny legs or they will suss you. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

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