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06/04/2008, 12:52 PM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,371 Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID The EDP reporter might find the supermarkets over the top vigilance in requesting ID for the sale of alcohol, razors, glue etc to those who are obviously over 18 mildly amusing but I find it sinister. Of course shops must defend themselves against prosecution but we should not forget how cosy many supermarket chains and other businesses are with the government. The insidious drip drip of having to produce proof of age or identity for every last thing could be aiding the government's policy of ID cards for all, especially when there have been supermarkets who have demanded proof of age from all alcohol purchasers so as " not to discriminate". The more people have to produce some form of acceptable ID for trivial matters the more likely they are to accept a Government ID scheme. I see No2ID and Privacy International are offering a £1000 reward for legitimately obtained fingerprints from Gordon Brown and Jacqui Smith-(just so they know what it feels like to be part of the surveillance intrusive society they have created) accusing them of promoting fingerprint ID technology and government backdoor access to our computers, personal spending, travel history etc. More power to the civil rights groups- we have never faced such a degree of intrusiveness and government control of our lives.    Report

06/04/2008, 1:03 PM Pling Joined on 14/02/2006 Posts 94 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID Shop workers are right to challenge anyone over their age, shopworkers dont get paid much and can be fined and in most cases face instant dismissal for gross misconduct should they make a mistake over this.  If its was a choice between keeping my job and upsetting someone then let them be upset as long as I can pay my way and keep a roof over my head, because as a non-immigrant, english speaking law abiding peaceful English man I doubt if the Government will be supporting me when I dont have a job!    Report

06/04/2008, 3:00 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,704 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID  Pling wrote: Shop workers are right to challenge anyone over their age, shopworkers dont get paid much and can be fined and in most cases face instant dismissal for gross misconduct should they make a mistake over this.  If its was a choice between keeping my job and upsetting someone then let them be upset as long as I can pay my way and keep a roof over my head, because as a non-immigrant, english speaking law abiding peaceful English man I doubt if the Government will be supporting me when I dont have a job! Equally those shops concerned with the dispensation of alcohol to minors, should have staff in charge able to deifferentiate between a 50 and a fifteen year old. To ask an elderly person for an age ID is intrusion. The su8rveillance society thrives on the likes of this Government, thats to say that I do not expect much different from any Tory Government, they all try and control the masses whilst wrapping themselves in cotton wool. Government ministers, MP's and other self-priviledging ilk has given itself dispensation from the requierements of the data and ID laws that apply to us, not to comply should be a duty to fairness and an open and accountable Government. nevermind    Report

06/04/2008, 3:45 PM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,213 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID You are right about shop workers pay Pling but also they do not get the training re I/Ds,or Health & Safety.I was challenged this morning in Sainsbury's.I was asked if I was over 16,i am 68, reason,I bought a Mail On Sunday.John    Report

06/04/2008, 4:39 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,704 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID  john wrote: You are right about shop workers pay Pling but also they do not get the training re I/Ds,or Health & Safety.I was challenged this morning in Sainsbury's.I was asked if I was over 16,i am 68, reason,I bought a Mail On Sunday.John   John, think about it, on a sunday they dare to ask you that question, thats an insult and you are far too polite. I might have just managed to raise a finger, never mind responding with words. nevermind    Report

07/04/2008, 6:18 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,213 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID I never knew there was a law for under 16s buying the Mail on Sunday Nevermind.    Report

07/04/2008, 12:12 PM ROBERT Joined on 16/08/2003 NR Gt. Yarmouth Posts 3,581 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID I think that the trend is to the opposite, none or few laws imposed for anything........ I think the Mail speaks what people think, maybe over the top at times but not suppressed......in reporting the issues that affect most people.......not so much about other countries that are of little concern..    Report

07/04/2008, 2:45 PM Dougal Joined on 21/02/2008 Posts 174 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID The whole thing is a complete and utter nonsense.  All the retailer should be required to do is display a notice clearly stating that it is illegal to buy or to attempt to buy certain products below a specified age limit.  Then anyone still doing so should be arrested and prosecuted.  Otherwise, it yet again sends out completely the wrong message to today's youth - "Have a go at breaking the law of you want to. If you're caught, someone else will get the blame, not you". So instead of the police and trading standards setting out to entrap retailers, they should spend some effort in catching the real criminals.    Report

07/04/2008, 3:26 PM readjono Joined on 13/12/2007 Posts 32 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID  Pling wrote: Shop workers are right to challenge anyone over their age, shopworkers dont get paid much and can be fined and in most cases face instant dismissal for gross misconduct should they make a mistake over this.  If its was a choice between keeping my job and upsetting someone then let them be upset as long as I can pay my way and keep a roof over my head I agree. I work in a supermarket and am told that all under 18s serving alcohol must call for a supervisor to give the double check, otherwise the worker can be sent to court, so can the supervisor, and they can be sacked and instantly fined around £1,000 for this. It's just not all the bother you could face if you don't do it.    Report

07/04/2008, 4:00 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,194 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID Simple answer, do not work in a supermarket. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

07/04/2008, 7:48 PM readjono Joined on 13/12/2007 Posts 32 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID  keith gerrard wrote: Simple answer, do not work in a supermarket. Try living in Holt... there is nowhere else for the Under 25s to work. They won't trust in the antiques shops, we're not skilled enough for all the travel agents and estate agents, and we can't work in the many charity shops as we won't get paid...    Report

07/04/2008, 10:47 PM ThisForumSucks Joined on 20/03/2008 Posts 14 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID  ROBERT wrote: I think the Mail speaks what people think, maybe over the top at times but not suppressed Oh, what rubbish. The Mail & its Sunday sister are right-wing Andrex stand-ins.  ROBERT wrote: in reporting the issues that affect most people.......not so much about other countries that are of little concern.. Ridiculous 'Little Englander' viewpoint. There are people out there with the capacity to understand or take an interest in things which are taking place outside of this country's borders, even if you are incapable of doing so. The Americans & French are always being casitgated for being insular, only caring about anything in their own countries & looking down on foreigners. Would you prefer we all espouse exactly the same attitudes? Read some proper papers - clue: they're the big ones - and then post something with a bit more substance. -- "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill    Report

07/04/2008, 10:53 PM ThisForumSucks Joined on 20/03/2008 Posts 14 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID  keith gerrard wrote: Simple answer, do not work in a supermarket. What an asinine, insulting remark. Are you not aware of Norfolk's employment backwater status? Are there many other opportunities, especially in rural areas? That said, I'm sure we'll all have tremendously interesting, reasonably-paid jobs once... a) we upgrade all major routes to motorways b) remove all farm traffic from all roads c) usurp the OBN/Zionist conspirators etc etc etc d) autogiros are made compulsory for all -- "The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter." - Winston Churchill    Report

08/04/2008, 8:00 AM Baconsdozen Joined on 02/09/2003 Lowestoft Posts 1,151 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID The first time I'm asked to prove my age which is of mature years,will be by coincidence the last time I use that particular shop. Lowestoft and the magic sea    Report

08/04/2008, 9:00 AM Narnia Joined on 16/08/2006 Posts 167 Re: Challenge 25 policy -supermarkets and ID I don't mind being asked for ID as long as everyone else is. And I don't mean ID'ing people that quite clearly are well over 18/21 - common sense tells you thats not necessary. But I do resent being asked ID by someone that has to get clearance from a supervisor, 2 minutes after serving the rolling drunk in front of me - it is an offence to serve people that are intoxicated beyond reason, however this doesn't bother the eyes of the law as much and just highlights the lack of training (and common sense). I have been asked for ID by more people under the age of, say, well, younger than me than I have older people. The slightly catty person in me says that it is ironic since the people that refuse me alcohol are the ones that are more likely to abuse the system and are possibly the reason behind this stealth tax on alcohol. If they think that an under 18 (or 21) that wants to buy alcohol to get drunk is going to be buying a £9.99 bottle of red plonk then something is amiss. Lambrini yes, Merlot no. And no I am not having a go at the workers, I have been there, done that and actually have the license - yes, the onus stops at the person serving the alcohol, but with the new laws in place regarding the selling of the stuff there is also an responsibility on the license holder to make sure adequate training is in place. Unfortunately because time is money this gets overlooked a tarred brush is applied to everyone as this is easier than sitting down and actually speaking to the people on the front line.      Report

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