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06/05/2008, 9:52 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,999 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I await the next criminal insult to the people of East Anglia with interest. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

06/05/2008, 10:07 AM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,835 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? To explain further nevermind When I copied the article, I added  my comment and it came up in that font I tried to reduce it, but I couldnt No sensationalism intended, it just happened that way and I also meant that it was a way the VAT money could be put to good use. I did not say that it WAS going to be used this way by the government but that it SHOULD. You have put your own interpretation on an article and come up with a totally wrong impression AGAIN.................groan groan groan    Report

06/05/2008, 10:30 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,999 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? It simply means that the government has invested NO money in flood protection for East Anglia. What it has paid out, it has clawed back in spades from the very people in need of protection. What a sick load of know nothings. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

06/05/2008, 6:33 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,999 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Shall we see if the trolls put up more racial rubbish in another attempt to divert attention away from these major issues that face the people of Norfolk. Come on trolls, I have seen non of you post on the shoreline management issue or flooding in general. Why is that? Some political connections perhaps? Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

06/05/2008, 7:28 PM AnthonyFlynn Joined on 16/11/2005 South Norfolk Posts 128 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Well Keith there has been some thought about this and other surprises that Westminster has in store for Norfolk. I spoke at the Feb' 20th. South Norfolk Council meeting. And then on the 23rd. of April, myself and five others, had a meeting with Daniel Cox and three members of South Norfolk Council. The subject of the April meeting was Taxation over-all and an assurance from the County Council that all things being equal, council Tax next year will not increase beyond the rise in inflation costs. But I did propose that it was legally in order to establish a system of Avoidance to paying Direct Taxation to Central Government. Some of you will have noticed that the Telegraph news paper, and the BBC, website have published articles about a number of large international companies moving off-shore to avoid Corporation and other company Taxation. And today the F.T., published a story of "United Business Media" making the move to Ireland. My argument, is the fact that these Companies are being badly advised. You do not have to move the whole company off-shore. Only the Financial Department. Believe me, I was instructed by what was then the HM. Treasury, Tax Policy Unit. It has since been closed down. Again, once the Finance section is off-shore, the workforce and all employees, can be paid directly into their own off-shore Bank Account by their Agent. Further details are available on request. Regards, ATFlynn,  "Norfolk's  Mutineer" My usual signature is just my name, ATFlynn.    Report

06/05/2008, 7:31 PM Jill Joined on 15/08/2005 Norfolk Posts 1,835 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Better be a bit careful with the font Ant, or you might put someones back up again      Report

07/05/2008, 6:31 AM john Joined on 07/08/2007 Posts 1,063 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? After the recent local elections New Labour promised to listen to the people and take action.It is less than a week and they have shown what they mean.Listen with one ear,out the other and in the bin with any proposals which they don't like.The people of Norfolk deserve better Mr.Woolas.Jphn    Report

07/05/2008, 10:07 AM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,999 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? The people of Norfolk will get nothing whatsoever unless they get it for themselves john. To those in London and the South, this is just a medieval back water they can throw away to suit themselves. They have treated Norfolk in this way for hundreds of years, so why should it be different today. We should prove to the Norfolk people that those in power are prepared to throw away a large part of Norfolk and drown the children, just for their own greed. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

07/05/2008, 11:13 AM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,503 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? So what do you say Anthony Tax Fiddler, would it be legal to withdraw an amount of tax from the present income tax demand, representing the percentage this Government spends on defense, to re-allocate it to the defense of Norfolk so to speak? nevermind        Report

07/05/2008, 5:48 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,999 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I think his method depends on being paid abroad nevermind. So the only logical course would be to declare independence for Norfolk. Do you know anyone who can design us a flag? Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

08/05/2008, 10:44 AM AnthonyFlynn Joined on 16/11/2005 South Norfolk Posts 128 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? nevermind, with your attitude I would start looking for a piece of high ground. How about this for a future prospect. The agency that wants to abandon 25sq. miles of Norfolk, might intend (?) to use this as an excuse to link to the Gt. Yarmouth / Lowestoft project and then Norfolk could be abolished. Or they could call it something else. It all depends on what Brussels decides. But whats the point. So many of you, the people of Norfolk, Suffolk and Essex are quite prepared to allow that scum at Westminster to get away with murder. How many of Norfolks MPs turned up to the debate on the flooding question. And when we call for the Public Meeting on this and the question of the "Eastern Region", as against Norfolk, Suffolk and Essex, how many people will turn up??? As it stands, I have ten followers who will attend. Barbara Lockwood, Tony Carpenter, Tony Callaghan, Brian Sturman, Tim Aker, Nick Clarke, Roy Philpot and myself. That is eight for starters, others I have yet to ask. Another thing nevermind, you seem very concerned about other people paying Taxation, have you some special reason for that?  Me, I'm 73, living on a State pension. Ten years of my NIC, contributions have never been recorded, but strange to say, my income Tax was. I do have the print out going back to 1975, when all NIC, records were first computerised. The Inland Revenue wanted to sort it out for me, but the Pensions People here in Norfolk threatened me with dire consequences if I went ahead. A friend of mine at HMRC, still has the printed records. Also the copy of a confession by David Varney, Chairman of Inland Revenue, as it was, that his Staff, in London, had stolen £13 million in cash from the HMR,office, and that another £300/£400 million was un-accounted for. Richard Bacon, South Norfolk MP, will know this, or at least part of it. So you see nevermind paying Tax to Westminster is just waste. Regards ATFlynn. My usual signature is just my name, ATFlynn.    Report

08/05/2008, 12:12 PM nevermind Joined on 28/05/2007 Posts 1,503 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Thank you very much Anthony, still this does not leave us much wiser as to whether we can withold income tax and re allocate its use according to our priorities, but its has given us a good idea of how the taxes of this country are being collected and used, thank you. Richard bacon is a financially savvy MP, so it seems, his shadowing of the audit committee and the public accounts committees is of great value.   What happens now that Mr. Woolas has left the stage with sticky plaster funding fluttering in the wind, will it land, will it fly past to land somewhere else? fact is the BA and DEFRA are in disarray with regards to their future funding priorities and duties here in Norfolk, and by the looks, further up and down the East Coast. The Washbarrier, now that its out of the news for some days, has stirred up wildlife groups into instant objections without thinking,, but I have not heard a single comment of support for it from those who are so wrapped up with their own problems in East Norfolk.   People must realise that this problem is one of the East coast, not just in their particuilar area, this is not a little itch, but a long term rash that cannot be seen in isolation anymore and must be addressed were it counts, in the treasury pockets and with rising long term funding. What are these groups planning now that the summer is arriving and the tourist return, give out stickers, sell patches of Happisburgh beach to get more interested parties?, what has happened of Norfolk County Councils trumpetted support, what does it mean and how they are proposing to help, I doubt they would support a tax re allocation strategy, or would they? nevermind      Report

08/05/2008, 1:23 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,999 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Sort out the two silly bridges in Great Yarmouth and the daft one in Lowstoft to open access to larger vessels from Europe, then find inward investment to fund a sensible and large enough development of the Broads economy!!!! This would also sort out the roads into both Towns and might even allow the new port at Yarmouth to work. It will not unless major road work is done to open access anyway. At present the Broads economy is strangled by the OBN to serve them and prevent outside interest. Access facilities are restricted for this purpose alone. The current flood risks make this position untenable. With properly elected bodies organizing investment and using part of it to fund flood defense there would be an ongoing system to protect the area into the future. The Wash barrier is ESSENTIAL to protect future food production. Local MP's should form a working group to deal with it. Restrictions from unelected bodies and the OBN, on the grounds of wildlife and conservation should be forced aside and such issues recognized as of secondary importance to the protection of the area from floods. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

08/05/2008, 3:21 PM gardener Joined on 04/10/2007 Posts 1,051 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? Actually Keith, although it is not a bad idea a Wash barrage I don't think it is essential to protect food production in Marshland and the Fens. The reclaimation of the Sutton Bridge/Holbeach/Clenchwarton marshes has gone on well since the war and I don't think any of it has been  badly flooded since 1953 and I am not sure that it was not via the back door of the Ouse in that case. ( I am open to correction on this) Surely the succession of sea banks built at each enclosing and draining of marsh is a defence in itself? And the open sea marsh serves to absorb some of the impact of high tides.The money might be better spent elsewhere.It might be considered that the biggest danger to the Fens remains water from inland rain meeting a surge tide up the rivers and not being able to get out to sea fast enough. Quite how a barrage across the entire Wash coast would solve this I don't know, but a better system of sluices and pumps and a serious river dredging scheme might. I agree with you about the complete inefficiency of the bridge system at Yarmouth and Lowestoft. The geography does no favours however and the situation needed much better planning and design of the road layout and control of the positioning of developments than we have been handed by the councils and highways.In Yarmouth they spent a lot of money on Breydon Bridge and then completely cacked up the access at both ends- an O level geography student could have done better.    Report

08/05/2008, 3:39 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 9,999 Re: Shoreline Management - a threat to the Broads? I accept your obvious better knowledge of the geographical history of both areas gardener. It should be possible to reduce the flood risk to the Fens area by the sensible upgrading of inland drainage. However, if the sea level rises by a marked amount, the question must be, how much effect will this sea level rise have on the ability of the land to drain and when this will become a worry? If the sea level gets closer to the level of the fresh water sources, in a mainly flat area this would result in major changes to the water flow and the topography. It would be necessary to look at predictions for the results before discounting a barrage completely. IMO a time will come not to distant in the future when the expense of the required fresh water drainage measures for the Fens out way the obvious benefits of a Wash barrage. Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

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