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10/05/2008, 7:24 PM ChristopherE Joined on 04/01/2006 Posts 484 Such is life. Should have been posting from Place Clichy, but Mrs ChristopherE is a bit poorly so we are still @ Place Angel.   so, I thought I would throw this one up for the historians....... Many years ago,perhaps around the events of 9/11 there was debate on this forum about the origins and history of the conflict twixt east and west..At some time before I had  bought a history book at Litcham school summer 'fayre.' The author  suggested that the 'Age of Reason'    was a direct follow on from the Ottoman failure in battle. Keith Gerrard . (who I now cherish ) managed  a silly "new labour" jibe. has time passed?    Report

10/05/2008, 8:00 PM keith gerrard Joined on 16/04/2004 Posts 11,200 Re: Such is life. I do not recall the actual silly 'new labour' jibe christopher, I make so many. However I shall be watching the Turkish GP tomorrow, does that help? Dream on keithgerrard@gerrard24.freeserve.co.uk    Report

11/05/2008, 8:57 AM ChristopherE Joined on 04/01/2006 Posts 484 Re: Such is life. Good one! Christopher.    Report

11/05/2008, 9:08 AM ChristopherE Joined on 04/01/2006 Posts 484 Re: Such is life. All is forgiven    Report

11/05/2008, 12:10 PM Snuggles Joined on 08/04/2007 Posts 526 Re: Such is life.  ChristopherE wrote: Many years ago,perhaps around the events of 9/11 there was debate on this forum about the origins and history of the conflict twixt east and west..At some time before I had  bought a history book at Litcham school summer 'fayre.' The author  suggested that the 'Age of Reason'    was a direct follow on from the Ottoman failure in battle. Sounds a little flakey to me. Which book is this? Which Ottoman failure? Vienna? Of course the Pope has his own thoughts about the role of reason in this general context. Would this be related?   Islam is like whisky. Some drink it neat.    Report

11/05/2008, 12:31 PM ChristopherE Joined on 04/01/2006 Posts 484 Re: Such is life. Indeed it was Vienna, maybe an "OUPS" volume, possibly a Trevellyan author, 20 years ago now.  The book was certainly first published in the late 1800s So the author was possibly at some stage a student of someone who grew up in  in the late 1700s .  Flakey history? Closer to the cataclysmic events of those times than you or I. And we are rewriting the 70s now. It was part of a paragraph  that was describing the reasons of the great explorationsof the late 1600s.. Not some  spice trail adventure. More a desperate need to find new lands for the ruling houses of Europe . Defeat at Vienna meant a respite of some 500 years.Age of Reason for Europe ensued. (Nitpicking, but the vanquished had already  had their own age of reason for many centuries) I really should be in Paris on such a lovely day. Christopher    Report

11/05/2008, 12:59 PM Snuggles Joined on 08/04/2007 Posts 526 Re: Such is life.  ChristopherE wrote: Indeed it was Vienna, maybe an "OUPS" volume, possibly a Trevellyan author, 20 years ago now.  The book was certainly first published in the late 1800s So the author was possibly at some stage a student of someone who grew up in  in the late 1700s .  Flakey history? Closer to the cataclysmic events of those times than you or I. And we are rewriting the 70s now. It was part of a paragraph  that was describing the reasons of the great explorationsof the late 1600s.. Not some  spice trail adventure. More a desperate need to find new lands for the ruling houses of Europe . Defeat at Vienna meant a respite of some 500 years.Age of Reason for Europe ensued. (Nitpicking, but the vanquished had already  had their own age of reason for many centuries) I really should be in Paris on such a lovely day. Christopher If I understand this correctly, your book is attributing the Siege of Vienna to "a desperate need to find new lands for the ruling houses of Europe". That's beyond flakey. Way way beyond.   Islam is like whisky. Some drink it neat.    Report

11/05/2008, 1:24 PM ChristopherE Joined on 04/01/2006 Posts 484 Re: Such is life. No. The author attributed the great age of exploration of the previous century to the need for new lands,( not spices)  The Age of Reason he attributed to the general goodfeeling at the defeat of the invading armies of the etc,etc,    Report

11/05/2008, 3:00 PM ChristopherE Joined on 04/01/2006 Posts 484 Re: Such is life. Gates of Vienna. I am sure there is painting, (still struggling with instrucutionsly) (Thanks to all)    Report

11/05/2008, 6:19 PM ChristopherE Joined on 04/01/2006 Posts 484 Re: Such is life. I can do youtube.... Glad to say 80,000 views for the old man's cine.. 25 short films. I have had so comments from all over the world. cje49 in the search box.    Report

11/05/2008, 6:23 PM ChristopherE Joined on 04/01/2006 Posts 484 Re: Such is life. Another annoyance. Why do some posts run for yards/metiers. and my last one is half cut? Or am I just bored!    Report

11/05/2008, 6:26 PM Bemused Joined on 19/08/2003 Europe Posts 894 Re: Such is life. Perhaps it is because they are obscure ?   Yosemite and Yellowstone are overdue !    Report

11/05/2008, 6:30 PM Bemused Joined on 19/08/2003 Europe Posts 894 Re: Such is life. Perhaps it is because they are obscure ?   Yosemite and Yellowstone are overdue !    Report

11/05/2008, 6:40 PM ChristopherE Joined on 04/01/2006 Posts 484 Re: Such is life. Sure,  I like obscure,  But I always enjoy it twice    Report

11/05/2008, 6:50 PM ChristopherE Joined on 04/01/2006 Posts 484 Re: Such is life. Sorry Yosemite, I do post obscure things,,,,,  to try and annoy , my last posting missed about 20 words, which made less sense than I usually manage. Such is life    Report

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